Why hate hitler or nazis?

[Hitsua]

Originally posted by RoaCh Of DisCord
Hitler HAD tons of innocent people killed...for no reason other than ethnics/race. That's why people hate him. Simple answer, for a simple question.



No, it wasn't "fine". It never was. Not to me anyway.

Killing innocent people can't be justifyed. Ever.

In my eyes, bush = hitler. He's just as bad. Kill people for killing, kill people for no reason...it's all the same to me. Killing can't really ever be justifyed.

As for nazis..

Well, they're just stupid. They focus on hate for no reason, and dedicate their life to it. How worthless.

I relize that but im saying, nuking was ok to US. Killing jewish people was ok to nazis. Its just a matter of were you were born and what goverman you were born into

 

[Gedrin]

None of this is right. We still try to justify it anyway. We need to look at this and realize this was evil. The holocaust was evil. Dropping the bomb was evil. Even some of the actions of Stalin were evil. One atrocity does not justify another. If all we do is keep perpetuating this then the world will continue being as bad as it is.

 

[bamthedoc]

Whoever says that Stalin is bad and Lenin is not is...let's just say missing a few bats in the bellfree (sp?)

In any case, Linen may not have killed as many people, he didn't have the chance, but he did kill millions. In total, I'd say Stalin and Lenin killed over 20 million Russians. Why? Lenin to get rid of the royal family and the Czars as well as all those loyal, and Stalin to kill all the "straglers". Who's worse? I'd say I'd have to tie all three given time in power, circumstances, reasoning, and a variety of other reasons.

FYI: People still don't understand the Japanese mindset in war. There have been very few retreats, and, if you try to take the mainland...they will fight to every last man, woman, and child. The first bomb was enough to make the Japanese government surrender, and the second was dropped BEFORE we got the surrender report (at the front lines anyway).

You have to do more than study some economisist or liberal history book. You have to read and watch history -- all aspects. That's something I take pride in doing. I've heard reports from Japanese on it. Many, if not most, regret Pearl Harbor as much as we regret Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

There was a reason for purposely aiming at major cities. The military, tactical mindset that long ago was very, very different than now-a-days. War of Attrition was more than just common, it was rampent. That and Japan was what you might call a "second world country" compared to the US, Germany, and UK at the time (if you use them as "first world").

Breaking a backbone is the basic tactical mindset, and has been used by the greatest tactical minds in history. Why do you think Japan has avoided ever having their mainland invaded through out history. The "yellow monkeys" defeated the "red bear" because of their tenasity.

If we had just gone in against them, I say again, we would have lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers, and there would not be any mainland Japanese today (except for those who would have decided to move back after the war).

Getting back to the topic...

Uh? Wait...? Have we basically finished this one? I mean... Those people don't seem to actually have meant what they said at the beginning. Boy...that was quick.

 

[Jaden]

The Russians killed millions of Jews over years prior to WW1 and WW2....yet no one brings that up. people have been killing Jews forever. please don't think i am in ANY way excusing this but Hitler wasn't some guy who said hey i'll do somethign original and kill Jews.. he wasn't the fist person who said "Jews are responsible for economic problems etc" he is just the one represented the ideas in a very public way.

 

[bamthedoc]

Yes, anti-Semitism has a long, bloody history. The KKK is one example. I don't think anyone would dispute that, but that's not exactly what this subject is about.

FYI: Nice pruning

 

[Jaden]

pruning? lol?

also interesting - antisemitism is not anti-Jew. TEchnically it is anti any semitic religion which includes Judaism, Islam AND Christianity

haha i know its not what the subject is about. But alot of people are like oh the Nazis were so vicious killing Jews when really they were just doing something about what everyone else was only complaining about. When it comes to the question "maybe they thought it was right" i disagree. I honestly don't believe any human can justify something like mass genocide to anyone let alone themselves.. no matter how confident they appear in their beliefs

 

[Deranged Hydralisk]

If you were a Nazi in WW2, then you were just as innocent as an American soldier. If you're a skinhead that spraypaints swasticas on buildings, then fuc k you.

 

[Gedrin]

Lenin was not nearly as bad as Stalin. Stalin was no where near as bad as Hitler. And I'd like to see a source on that 20 million figure.

What I said earlier is important to why the bomb was dropped. The Russians did invade mainland Japan. They did make significant headway very fast.

The Truman administration used lots of scare tactics to try and control the ameican people and justify certain unesecary descisions.

 

[bamthedoc]

You obviously believe what you are told too much. You have heard of the little wars that were going on in Russia during WWII that made them stop supporting Germany, right? The Bolshavic Rebelions, I believe, were one of the primary causes. The Russians would have been taken by Germany had Old Man Winter, the greatest general and asset to the Russian army, not intervened. By then Lenin had a strong foothold over Russia through both fear and praise.

FYI: That 20 million is a combined figure between Stalin and Lenin. Stalin killed the majority in that.

I believe the "yellow monkeys" (Japanese) humiliated the "red bear" (Russians). No one, in history, has ever invaded more than a few miles of mainland Japan, save the US. The huge Chinese army couldn't even take the beaches.

And the Truman administration did a lot more to stem hatred than anything else. WWI showed a lot of mistakes by using propoganda to make the US public, and entire world, hate Germans as warmongers. In WWII, war policy was different. The enemies weren't the Germans, but the Nazis. The enemies weren't the Italians and Japanese, but the Axis Powers.

 

[Minnesota]

Oh sh!t... ok, this topic has nothing to do with Stalin, Lenin, whoever the ufck. Nor the USSR or Japan.
Its about Hitler and his National Socialist Party

Just wanted to refresh your guys' memories

 

[bamthedoc]

Off Topic and Petty: He started it

On Topic and Not Petty:

You're right. But what more do we actually have to say?

 

[Hitsua]

Simple. Nazi's may not have done things how they wanted. Hitler tortured jews for no reson. Think of what he would do if other Nazi's didnt obey him. Hitler had more power or alteast everyone was scared enough of him. I was watching somthing on history channel.

It said, whiler berlin was being invaded by the red army, before for hitler killed himself..His closest advisor shot himself, and gave his family drugs. While they were asleep, fed them sionide cappsels.

From that. maybe Hitler wasnt the Highest, most cruliest person in Nazi Germany.

 

[bamthedoc]

And cerainly not in German history.

FYI: Hitler shot himself after shooting his closest advisors, wife, dog, and children (if he had any...can't remember). He called a meeting that the advisors supposed was for surrender, in all likelyhood, but got shot instead.

 

[MTML]

Saying that every German soldier was in the Nazi party is... hard to believe. It's like saying every soldier in the United State's army is supportive of everything Bush has done. ( No sidetracking on t3h Bushwhacker! )
BTW, I can't show pictures of the Siberian camps, nor show living proof of it. But my great Uncle is living proof enough and since anyone that went into a gas...chamber wouldn't come out, no one would have proof. It's a tradeoff! /\_/\
Where's the picture of a gas chamber in your link? Was it the top one? I didn't read the text, just skimmed it.

 

[Minnesota]

To be fair.. if MTML was a Nazi.. would you all hate him?

 

[Gedrin]

Once again I ask can you cite a source on that figure of 20 million?
I would say that the little wars you speak of were bigger than you let on. Also I beleive that your cronology is a little off. Lenin was brought to power.

And here is a little timeline bamthedoc because you seem to be a little fuzzy on the dates. 1917 bolshevic revolution (referred to as october revolution(gets onusing because russian calander is different from rest of world) 1917 lenin dies. 1918 WWI ends. 1941 WWII starts.

The bolshevic revolution revolution happened in WWI. But that's all right "You obviously believe what you are told too much."

 

[bamthedoc]

Wow, I was off in years. Oh well, my history "specialty" is WWII.

FYI: You do realize that Lenin killed anyone belonging to the Czar royal family, right? He ordered their extermination to keep the already failing public view from brining them back in power... And I suddenly remember my history lessens... Lenin was failing in WWI (duh, I can't believe I forgot that) in the war effort. He would slay descentors and those loyal to the Czars.

Stalin slew farmers and a huge variety of others (including Jews, I believe). This is all indirect, howver. He ordered the killings, much as Lenin and Hitler, but never did anything himself. Stalin was also a paranoid little freak. He killed approximately 18 million. I'll look for those figures for you, but ~Spike (I will forever know you as TempestStorm!) is much better at finding things.

 

[Hitsua]

"Oh well, my history "specialty" is WWII"

Thats like saying Nazi's didnt take part in ww2. Comon you should know this stuff

 

[bamthedoc]

Huh? I just forgot Lenin's time period for a while. My history lessens are back and fresh in my mind.

 

[Hitsua]

I got held back last year for fail Social studies [well math to but ]. I was never reading on ISlams and stupid oll castles. I was always reading about nazis, soviets, world wars 1and2.