Homosexual desires are
NOT in themselves sinful. People have a wide variety of sinful desires over which they have little direct control, but these do not become sinful until a person acts upon them, either by acting out the desire or by encouraging the desire and deliberately engaging in fantasies about acting it out. People that have homosexual desires are just like people tempted by wrong heterosexual desires. They
are not sinning until they act upon those desires in some manner.
Allowing gay marriages is an insult to marriage. You are saying that people who perform sex in a disgusting and perverted manner, who wallow in filth, can have a union that is equivalent to marriage. By definition, sex is used to be procreative
AND to show true love between a marred couple. There is an and there, not an or. If this sounds harsh it is only because it is stating the truth.
All civil rights must be subject to moral judgement. No one has a right to immorality. Morals are not subjective. True moral judgements are facts, not opinions. Too many people are confused by a the so-called separation of church and state that does not, and should not, exist. All civil law and civil rights must be subject to morality. Otherwise, we will life in total chaos.
Another quote:
"The natural sex partner for a man is a woman, and the natural sex partner for a woman is a man. Thus, people have the corresponding intuition concerning homosexuality that they do about bestiality—that it is wrong because it is unnatural. "
And one more quote:
"Many homosexuals argue that they have not chosen their condition, but that they were born that way, making homosexual behavior natural for them.
But because something was not chosen does not mean it was inborn. Some desires are acquired or strengthened by habituation and conditioning instead of by conscious choice. For example, no one chooses to be an alcoholic, but one can become habituated to alcohol. Just as one can acquire alcoholic desires (by repeatedly becoming intoxicated) without consciously choosing them, so one may acquire homosexual desires (by engaging in homosexual fantasies or behavior) without consciously choosing them.
Since sexual desire is subject to a high degree of cognitive conditioning in humans (there is no biological reason why we find certain scents, forms of dress, or forms of underwear sexually stimulating), it would be most unusual if homosexual desires were not subject to a similar degree of cognitive conditioning.
Even if there is a genetic predisposition toward homosexuality (and studies on this point are inconclusive), the behavior remains unnatural because homosexuality is still not part of the natural design of humanity. It does not make homosexual behavior acceptable; other behaviors are not rendered acceptable simply because there may be a genetic predisposition toward them."
I guess it's just another way that religion has begun to change over the years, and some things that used to be considered very wrong are gradually accepted.
Religion isn't changing, we are.
So because alot of people decide to use thier right hand, suddenly those who use thier left hand have a defect? What does that make people who can use both? Are they half defective, or just a little less defective?
This just has to do with the genetics of dominant and recessive traits, it is not a defect, being left handed is just the recessive trait.
counter-productive to you. Know what I think, 6 billion or whatever crazy number of people on planet earth is obviously, how can i put it... TO ****ING MUCH. What is more screaming mouths in this world? There is no use for the thousands of unemployed people, thousands of starving. they do not work, they do not eat they take up space.
homosexuality? maybe its natures way of telling us, to QUIT HAVING SO MANY ****ING CHILDREN.
Homosexuality has existed even before Christianity or Judiasm for that matter. If it is nature's way of saying stop having so many children why has it been practiced by various people since the population human life on earth was rather small.
Also, does too many people on the earth give us the right to act immoral. Just because you think there are too many humans doesn't mean you can just go killing them (not implying gay marriage is murder or anything, it is just an example).
So if they can control themselves, we have no problems. we shall expect them to never do what they are biologicaly told to do, but instead everyone who we deem "right" can do whatever we feel that some god says is only right
Once again, if you feel the urge to kill someone does that give you the right to kill them?
God an unknown number of gays and lesbians cannot have equal rights everyone else can. Even though everyone is "created equal"
You should be respectful to all people, as I stated before, it is not a sin to be homosexual, it is a sin to act on your homosexual desires.
Then when you look back, to say Greece where it was common for men and women to be homosexual and bisexual. Where in certian areas you were encouraged to be a homosexual, having sex with women only to reproduce. Yet Homosexuality is a defect, and all these people, even the famous names who created the most famous paintings and sculptures during the Renaissance are all defective.
Everybody commits sins, if you can point out a single person in the entire history of the world that has never committed a sin than please tell me one. Al humans are flawed because they listen to their immoral desires and sin from them.
Note: Any person other than Mary + Jesus.
The Bible is not Gods book. the Bible was written by man, it is nothing more than a book of fairy tales and myths. The Bible was printed, and everthing relating to it in "the name of God" is nothing more than the catholic church testing its powers on the teeming masses. the pathetic religious idiots who beleive what they are told. who writes history for you to read?
The bible was written through infallibility in the church's sense. If you do not understand it then look it up. I have posted in other posts that the bible needs to be understood, not read literally, go read what i've posted here:
"http://www.battleforums.com/showthread.php?t=81288"
You know, Black~Enthusiasm, there are far too many people on this planet. FAR too many. And heterosexuals are just having more and more children. Is this a problem? Yes it is. If this keeps up heterosexuals will bring the human race to it's knees, or if it isn't already completely wipe it out.
Secondly, AIDS and other stds are spread a lot by heterosexuals and unprotected. Gay guys are FAR more likely to use protection than str8 guys are, and are therefore safer even especially since str8 guys have the added threat of pregnancy.
Does this give us the right to act immorally?
Marriage is a sacrid thing but divorce is allowed. You're sposed to spend the rest of your life with that person.
Divorce is taught against.
You do realize that there are about a billion types of Christianity, right?
I believe he was refering to the major sects of each, for there are many sects of each of those, not just Christianity.
wrong. i can argue that marraige is NOT a religious institution. why is it not religious? it is a government controlled program, and the government is, and should stay SECULAR.
marraige may have started off as a religious thing, but now that the government has adoptedit it must STAY secular.
Marriage is still a religious institution, if your marriage is not blessed by the church then your marriage is not morally valid.
