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Some kid was talking about the strategy Heavy Metal, I know you are supposed to use a lot of tanks and vultures and stuff like that (metal machines), but who do you use this against? Zerg, Protoss, or Terran. It doesn't sound very effective but he says it is really good.

I don't know all the details about it so somebody fill me in.
 

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Heavy Metal is widely regarded as perhaps the only way for a Terran to survive a Toss v Terran situation.

The Terran army is made primarily up of up Siege Tanks + Vultures for the extreme early game.
Science Vessels, Dropships and Goliaths are common additions.

You usally start off with 1 Barrack and 2 Factory right away and almost entirely skip marines. (Build only marines which you need to cover your ramp or/and survive the 1-3 Zealots harass.

Oh and by the way, BCs sux.
 

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originaly posted by Remiraz
Oh and by the way, BCs sux.
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Buddy, i have takin down approx 24 carriers with 12 battlecruisers, i know that it wouldn't happen often but yamato and emp along with 25+ damage, can blow the shit out of any 5 damage little interceptor. 5 tanks and 6 BC not upgraded, can take out as many as maybe 30 dragoons. and these have all happened to me. PSI storm is the only thing that truely can murder bc without to much effort, but thats what emp is for. u waste there mana with emp.
 

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Originally posted by pan_the_man
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Buddy, i have takin down approx 24 carriers with 12 battlecruisers, i know that it wouldn't happen often but yamato and emp along with 25+ damage, can blow the shit out of any 5 damage little interceptor. 5 tanks and 6 BC not upgraded, can take out as many as maybe 30 dragoons. and these have all happened to me. PSI storm is the only thing that truely can murder bc without to much effort, but thats what emp is for. u waste there mana with emp.
That will only be true if you're playing Money Maps or against newbies.

You have about a 0.000001% chance of seeing 24 carriers in a normal game.

BCs are too uneconomical and un-battleworthy.
It comes too late, takes too long to build and cost too much.
Cheaper, faster units do what they can do much much better and earlier.

You have a 100% of seeing Psi Storm in every single Protoss v whatever game you play.

Play more competitive games instead of wasting time on money maps and newbies and you'll see.
 

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Actualy i was refering to the map the hunters, not a money map. and it was a 2v1 so there was 12 carriers each
 

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heh

i alwes use carriers i find the money even if its not a money map
either i was carriers or dts
 

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Originally posted by pan_the_man
Actualy i was refering to the map the hunters, not a money map. and it was a 2v1 so there was 12 carriers each
It was a 2v1 and they let you build up to battlecruisers?
And they themselves built carriers instead of killing you in 5 minutes with zealots and dragoons? (heck, they could probe rush you in 1 minute)

Sound like you're playing with newbies.
 

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actuly,

If u must know i was rushed with zealots, and goons. then he tried to drop reavers, but my valks got hid dropship, then attacked 2 more times with mass goons and lots and i defended, taking minimul damage. then he attacked with carriers, my goliaths barely were able to hold him, then i figured why not go BC, He would need the same amout of time to build back carriers and they are stronger, so i did, and there were several battles, and they ran out of money while i still had around 7K. I only get BC in the end. and just to let u know, i can get battlevruisers faster than a good zerg player can get a defiler and mass hydras. trust me.
 

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Re: actuly,

Originally posted by pan_the_man
If u must know i was rushed with zealots, and goons. then he tried to drop reavers, but my valks got hid dropship, then attacked 2 more times with mass goons and lots and i defended, taking minimul damage. then he attacked with carriers, my goliaths barely were able to hold him, then i figured why not go BC, He would need the same amout of time to build back carriers and they are stronger, so i did, and there were several battles, and they ran out of money while i still had around 7K. I only get BC in the end. and just to let u know, i can get battlevruisers faster than a good zerg player can get a defiler and mass hydras. trust me.
No I don't trust you.

1) Your account of the game make it seems like you were simply sitting there "defending" while they will throwing badly-thought-out attacks on you a la "BGH" style.

2) You have 7k Mineral.
Woah why not spend those minerals so they come in?

3) They run out of money.
Hmmm, must be newbies who don't know how to expand. (Esp. since you did nothing to pressure them into not expanding)

4) When you took care of his carriers, you decided to build Battlecrusiers in the time span he took to "build back" his carriers.
Woah, smart move, I'll rather MOVE IN AND KILL HIM while he is building back up.

Just to let you know, you'll never be able to rush to Battlecrusiers before a Zerg player gets Hydralisks + Defiler.
Because his 12 Zerglings or 12 Hydralisks will kill you before you do that.

When good players says things like "Hydralisks owns BCs", they don't mean that you get to sit there and build BC undisturbed for 1-2 hours.
What they're talking about is a NORMAL game where players play SC the way it was meant to be played. (With players constantly trying to gain an advantage over each other be it thru attacks or any other means)
They mean, in such a game if you used a BC centered force against a Hydra centered force in such a game you'll have 0% chance of winning.
 

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Well...

OMFG how bad were these kids to let you get bcs if I saw you were getting bcs youd be dead in a sec i'd rush you with lings before the bcs could arrive
 

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Re: Re: actuly,

Originally posted by Remiraz
No I don't trust you.
well you should. i have played starcraft for about 5 years now. i know what the game is all about. and i intend to defend my posts.


1) Your account of the game make it seems like you were simply sitting there "defending" while they will throwing badly-thought-out attacks on you a la "BGH" style.


actualy i wasn't just sitting there. i made sure i had plenty defence, and i was building up on an attack. also add in the fact i need to expand, so they can't.

2) You have 7k Mineral.
Woah why not spend those minerals so they come in?


Hmm why didn't i think of that? maybe because i was maxed out 200/200. and that was after all my attacks and the closing of the game. had some 50+ SCV getting that money.

3) They run out of money.
Hmmm, must be newbies who don't know how to expand. (Esp. since you did nothing to pressure them into not expanding)


I can't see what newbies have to do with me taking the whole map. I owned 75% of the map. by the time they had to expand i had already drained the minerals. They wern't newbies because when they went to expand i was already there. u refer to newbies not expanding at all.


4) When you took care of his carriers, you decided to build Battlecrusiers in the time span he took to "build back" his carriers.
Woah, smart move, I'll rather MOVE IN AND KILL HIM while he is building back up.


great plan, i know, i should have attacked with my SCVs or better yet my marines and ghosts in the bunker thats defending me, so i can attack with infintry and get my ass attacked by the other guy. yep i see u r realy making a point here. also i dont attack with my defence, my valkyries dont attack ground so i cant attack with them? seems pointless, so why not build battlecruisers. and also i had a tank drop on the one guy, while my bcs were being built.

Just to let you know, you'll never be able to rush to Battlecrusiers before a Zerg player gets Hydralisks + Defiler.
Because his 12 Zerglings or 12 Hydralisks will kill you before you do that.
have you posted something i cant correct. Ya its called defence, its a thing you put at the front of your base desighned specificly to get rid of units like hydras, and 15? come on, i had one guy attack with 15 hydras and his partner with marines and zealots, and i still came out intact.


When good players says things like "Hydralisks owns BCs", they don't mean that you get to sit there and build BC undisturbed for 1-2 hours.
What they're talking about is a NORMAL game where players play SC the way it was meant to be played. (With players constantly trying to gain an advantage over each other be it thru attacks or any other means)


I dont know what post u were reading, but i had a game of starcraft with those ppl, and though there choice of carriers was the one that killed them, it was a real game, that evolved up the tech-tree, blizzard doesn't put units like BCs to sit there unused, every aspect of the game must be used, or you come out the loser. although why shold i tell u this? you can't seem to make a valide point, that i can't even correct.

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They mean, in such a game if you used a BC centered force against a Hydra centered force in such a game you'll have 0% chance of winning. [/B]
 

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Heavy metal is a strategy where u tech to tanks and vultures from the start. It is probarbly the only way u can beat a good toss or terran on maps like lost temple. There are other strategies such as for example M&M rush vs toss but u will eventually have to switch to metal in mid-game.
Heavy metal will in most cases not work vs a good zerg, because they will expand all over the map and metal is not as mobile as marines & medics.

Terran vs Protoss

Tank push - Fast tech to 2 factories and pump tanks and some vultures, then push forvard placing tanks in siege mode outside his base and slowly moving forwards. Use spider mines to take care of zealots and the tanks will kill goons. Build missile turrets by the tanks to detect dark templars and observers (they detect mines)

Vulture sneak - This is a strategy where u tech to vultures fast. U build 3 factories and only addon machine shop to 1, then make tanks out of 1 factroy and vults out of 2 and research spider mines and vulture speed (very important) before siege mode. Then sneak the vultures into the enemy's base and lay mines outside gateways and in choke points and start killing probes to cut off ur enemy's mineral suply.
After a vulture sneak u switch to tank pushes, but u can also do more vulture sneaks later in the game if ur enemy doesnt build cannons by his workers.

Counter for carriers - In late game the protoss will almost certanly make carriers and zealots to counter ur tank pushes. To kill carriers u can make goliaths, wraiths and also ghosts with lockdown if he has more carriers than u can kill. Some say that EMP is good for countering carriers but the tech and science vessels cost too much gas, metal isn't cheap.

Terran vs Terran

Tank/Golliath/BC - In TvT, most players tech to tanks right away. If u are playing on an island map, a boxer-style 4 golliath drop in his peon line can be very effective, but on land maps such as LT this is very risky.
Mid game will be mostly drops. Get many dropships and tanks + golliaths and drop ur enemy's expansions and bases. Cliff drops over expansions are very hard to stop.
In late game when u have many expansions u can afford battle cruisers. The battlecruiser is one of the best units in the game, and combined with siege tanks it is almost unstoppable. In late game TvT the game will usually be won by the player who has the most expansions and therefore can afford the most BCs and tanks. BCs can also be used in late game vs zerg, but are too expensive in TvP.

Wraith rush - A wraith rush is very effective in TvT. Build either 1 factory and 1 starport and start makin tanks and wraiths, or on island maps get 2 starports and pump wraiths. Use tanks to kill golliaths and wraiths to kill tanks/SCVs.
 

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I didnt lol.

Whele I got so bored of reading the same thing I stoped in the middle see.
 

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Im willing to play u any time me terran u protoss on a non-money map.
 

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Re: Well...

Originally posted by shrimpshark
OMFG how bad were these kids to let you get bcs if I saw you were getting bcs youd be dead in a sec i'd rush you with lings before the bcs could arrive
Welll you got it all figured out I guess. Most people who go BC's will get a few bunkers and marines though and even tanks, so hydras and lings won't do much against them.
 

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