Black~Enthusiasm, you appear to have a "real belief" to me. *shrug*
I know I must start to look like your religious type, but ironicaly, its only because I'm playing the Devil's advocate.
If I wouldn't do it, there would be no discussion on the subject in the first place. And in the end, by testing our arguments like this, aren't we all learning stuff ? Isn't
great and fun ?
Pan said:
So because alot of people decide to use thier right hand, suddenly those who use thier left hand have a defect? What does that make people who can use both? Are they half defective, or just a little less defective?
I had read somewhere that people who were born left-handed were born so either because of birth stress or because of genetics, but I can't find anything to back me up on this right now, so let just forget about it.
on the subject of overpopulation
counter-productive to you. Know what I think, 6 billion or whatever crazy number of people on planet earth is obviously, how can i put it... TO ****ING MUCH. What is more screaming mouths in this world? There is no use for the thousands of unemployed people, thousands of starving. they do not work, they do not eat they take up space.
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You know, Black~Enthusiasm, there are far too many people on this planet. FAR too many. And heterosexuals are just having more and more children. Is this a problem? Yes it is. If this keeps up heterosexuals will bring the human race to it's knees, or if it isn't already completely wipe it out.
First of all, show me a source saying that the population increase in the USA is a problem.
Second, you believe there is too many people on this planet ? Perhapes there is an overpopulation problem in China, Japan, Africa and even the midle-east, but they aren't concerned about the same sex marriage issue. Only the Western world is concerned by it.
But what make your overpopulation argument flawed is that, in the west, there isn't any overpopulation problem. In Europe, even with immigration, the population is expected to shrink in a few years. In Canada, the population is stable, thanks to emmigration, but expected to shrink in some places, too. Now, in the USA, the population will keep growing up to 419.9 million in 2050, but the primary reason U.S. population is projected to reach this number is mass immigration.
Therefore, even if you prove me that over population could be a problem in the usa, gay marriage as nothing to do with population control, the very idea of it is stupid.
Its an emmigration problem.
homosexuality? maybe its natures way of telling us, to QUIT HAVING SO MANY ****ING CHILDREN.
This is the most random thing anyone said in this thread. There have been homosexuals since ever, and they haven't increased in percentage.
So if they can control themselves, we have no problems. we shall expect them to never do what they are biologicaly told to do, but instead everyone who we deem "right" can do whatever we feel that some god says is only right
In society, this isn't true, since religion hold no power, but as far as marriage is concerned, since its a religious institution, yes, they have to play by the rules, as religion see fit, wether they like it or not. Its the whole point of my opposition to same sex marriage.
This I have to strongly disagree with. On paper, we "accept" it, and laws say we cannot act agaisnt our prejudice, so it gives that all to comforting illusion that we are accepting. All we are is a society where we still have the prejuidce, that you cannot act upon, except if your the president or the church and "God" speaks to you and tells you what is right or wrong, and becuase of your holy revelations and a book that was written by man, and not God an unknown number of gays and lesbians cannot have equal rights everyone else can. Even though everyone is "created equal"
I guess its safe to say that our perceptions of the treatment of homosexuals in our society must vary greatly, since we come from a wide ranger of place and culture. But in my opinion, at least in large urban area, any homosexual could come out with is lover, and kissing him/her on their way to their club, without any one honestly giving a damn. With the failiur of Bush's gay marriage ban, and the mass same sex marriage going on, I believ its safe to say that their situation isn't bad in our society, and that its getting better, too.
Plus, they have their own parade.
Then when you look back, to say Greece where it was common for men and women to be homosexual and bisexual. Where in certian areas you were encouraged to be a homosexual, having sex with women only to reproduce. Yet Homosexuality is a defect, and all these people, even the famous names who created the most famous paintings and sculptures during the Renaissance are all defective.
Homosexuality is a defect in the sense that it is abnormal, it miss somethig to be like the majority. Who care if the use of the word defect is derogatory, by definition, homosexuality is defective.
The Bible is not Gods book. the Bible was written by man, it is nothing more than a book of fairy tales and myths. The Bible was printed, and everthing relating to it in "the name of God" is nothing more than the catholic church testing its powers on the teeming masses. the pathetic religious idiots who beleive what they are told. who writes history for you to read?
So, religious people are pathethic idiots for using the bible as a reference book ? This doesn't make any sense, for the book is the fondment of their belief system : they would be pathetic idiots for not
using the book , not the other way around. Plus, they is no point in showing disrespect toward religious people, is there ?
Big-Fat-Homo said:
Secondly, AIDS and other stds are spread a lot by heterosexuals and unprotected. Gay guys are FAR more likely to use protection than str8 guys are, and are therefore safer even especially since str8 guys have the added threat of pregnancy.
This, being true or not, as nothing to do with same sex marriage. At all. =)
Dreamcrusader, allowing same sex marriage would be seperating state from church. Since the state is now officially in charge of marriage. Also, about "civil unions" read the topic started by me called "Equal?! That's not equal!!" or something to that effect.
I haven't read the topic your talking about, since I think it was about cigarret, but if you suggest it, I will.
Anyway, allowing same sex marriage would result in taking out the religious meaning of it, since religion and homosexuality conflict because God recognize homosexuality as a sin. Now, my question is, why take out the religion out of religious marriage ? You already have civil union, isn't that enough ? Plus, stripping out religion out of marriage will make it completly pointless.
Wow. So having children validates you to god and society? I must go out and have a few! No, not four, need some more. That's what that statement is encouraging.
Having children as nothing to do with society or even God, I was merly using this as an argument to prove that the inability to conceive a child make you defective. So there is no need to mix society, or religion, to this.
Also, if it's genetic, as you yourself have said, then how can you condem or restrict somebody based on it? And if it's genetic, as you have said, than how can GOD condemn any of his own creations that he had deliberately set up for failure? So either god made a mistake, or god is not good. And both are harmful to the church.
Very good question. How could God condemn someone to an eternity of damnation, based on a criteria that the person is born with ? Its actualy very simple : you have a choice to give in to your homosexual pulsion, or to restrain, and since we have a choice, God see it as a sin. So He basicaly expect anybody born with homosexual tendency to be chaste all their life. I know, its unrealistic, and unfair, but this explain why he can chose homosexuality to be a sin.
Also, religion is NOT NEEDED for a "marriage". I could get a "marriage licence" from the government without talking to a single minister or person in the church. Whether it is done in a church or not is just a niceity. Ultimately it means nothing.
Yhea, I know, so homosexual should content themselve with a civil union.