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Sorry that you have to listen to propaganda, but I would like to correct you on a few points.Black~Enthusiasm said:Here's the reason I hate Bush, its not because of the war itself, but because the moron went in Irak alone, ****ing alone ! . And dont give me this "coallition of the willing" crap, because, who do you see dying in Irak ? americans. Who's country had to start digging into emergency fund to pay for a war that nobody know when it will end ? The United States.
This is the main problem I have with the monkey man, he managed to alienate most of his allies. If you can't ****ing convince anybody that your war is a good thing, maybe its not a good idea to go, dont you think ?
Do you have any idea how stupid, lunatic and impossible the task of implementing a successful democracy in an hostil country is ? Addoption by non-Western societies of Western democratic institutions give access and encourage the power to nativist and anti-Western movements. In the 1960 and 1970, Westernized and pro-Western government in developing country where treatened by coups and revolution, but in the 1980, 90 and in 2000, pro-Western government are even more in danger of being ousted by elections.
Democratisation conflict with Westernisation, and politicians in non-Western societies dont win election by showing how pro-Wetsern they are, but electoral competition insteed stimulate them to fashion what they believe will appeal to the mass and those are ethnic, nationalist and religious caracter.
You'll never have a durable democracy in Irak, your stuck there defending something that will never live on its own, your stuck there for a very long time, and your stuck there alone.
How long can your frail economy support this war ?
And dont compar this situation with the succesful implementation of democracies in Germany and Japan in WWII, those where different times. For once, those countries where irremediably crushed and occupied by western forces. Secondly, Western values and culture had a tremendous apeal that they dont have today, on the contrary.
- If you have looked, the rate of Iraqi terrorists killed is far greater than American Soldiers.
- Bush spent quite a bit of time before declaring war trying to convince France and Germany to go to war. He most likely realized it was pointless, and he was only wasting time by doing so, and went to war.
- While our economy may seem frail to you, it is stable compared to most nations. Why? Most of the world relies on trade through us. To forewarn you, do not give statistics on how it has dropped during GWB's presidency. That is the only argument a democrat has on the subject: before and after statistics that do not put into account that the world trade center was destroyed. During a time of crisis, GWB kept America from falling indo depression, and is doing a damn good job of fixing it. The only giant dent I see from the towers falling is gas prices. The economy is recreating itself at a fast pace, now.
- In my opinion, I would consider Iraq a tea-party to Germany. While the Germans were broken, you can't forget the Russian communist half of Germany, which fueled the Cold War. Still, I agree with your point there. The only possible way to bring stability to the middle east would be to deal with it all at once, but the world does not have enough resources to do so. It will always be a hotspot for conflict. You fail to realize that although bringing a permanent democracy to Iraq is seemingly impossible, leaving Iraq alone would only make the problem worse. I'll relate this to a test: It's better to try to answer the problem instead of leaving it blank. This way, you show that you care, and you have a chance at getting credit.
The funny thing about the middle east is that it is always a double-sided problem. On one side, you can't leave it how it is, but it is impossible to solve. That's always how debate is, though, however the world's history shows that the impossible can happen. or not. I will wait for time to solve this.
Actually, I believe the information was correct. The UN took too long and was too leniant (They freaking scheduled with the iraqis the inspections) giving the terrorists a long time to drag them into another country. GWB definately knows this, but he would not get elected if he persued the weapons yet. I would expect to see a new war within his next term. However, I think the conflicts near India are more of a priority.So homo, If 12 intelligance agancys from around the world told you that Iraq had weapons of Mass destruction you would push them off? I know he didnt have any but Bush didnt "lie". He was misinformed from other intelligance agancys. But you shouldnt judge the enitre war effect on the one point.