Terran Air, What would they be wit out them?

[Emperor Pan I]

Tell me terrans would suck without the bc the strongest air units next to the scourge. well the bc isnt the best the science vessel is the best unit for air. in fact i think its one of the top three overall. defiler science vessel and dark archon are my favorite. well anyways the science vessl is the best air unit. Because up against a toss enemy, theres no comparison. one emp and its gameover for the toss. without shields theyre gone. and someppl only upgrade shields so theres a waste of money. plus it make a noobs fleet of carriers 99.9% useless.

 

[AmericanPsych0]

Originally posted by pan_the_man
one emp and its gameover for the toss.

I highly doubt that one EMP Shockwave missle would finish a Protoss player...

Science Vessels are probably my favorite as well. Spell casters just own.

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Re: Re: Terran Air, What would they be wit out them?

Originally posted by AmericanPsych0


I highly doubt that one EMP Shockwave missle would finish a Protoss player...

well it was an exageration, i know one wont do it but if u have a group sending off missles all over his base, and he doesnt have a shield generater, hes realy weak.

 

[AmericanPsych0]

And as good as dead, yes I know. I just like getting technial.

 

[Xel]

i like waraiths the most since they come fast not to expantive and strong enough if i m pklaying agints toss or terran but if its zergs i use sience vessel they kill em easly

 

[AmericanPsych0]

Scouts totally own Wraiths...

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Scouts are good anti-air, they own all of terran air. but have crappy ground attack

 

[AmericanPsych0]

So does the Wraith, which is why massing them is not the best idea, altohugh they do pack a punch, even against ground, in a large group.

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Ya in a large group, but a large group of scouges could take em out.

 

[AmericanPsych0]

Which is why it's best to use them as escorts...

 

[Emperor Pan I]

Yep, BC Valkyries and wraiths put to gether with (science Vessel good only against toss) Along with dropships full of tanks, drop em then unleash hell with air and ground units.

 

[Aris]

Originally posted by pan_the_man
Scouts are good anti-air, they own all of terran air. but have crappy ground attack

doesnt really matter that their ground attack is crappy when you have 50 of em though.

only thing that has ever stopped 4 presets of fully upgraded scouts has been psi storm. ive done it against comps and players alike.. granted a good player would have stormers. but most noobs dont. to date, the only thing that has ever beaten mass scouts is psi storm. hydras cant, muta's cant, carriers cant, BC's cant, wraiths cant, dragoons cant.

mabey marines. but only if you were spamming them hardcore and only because you can make marines quicker than i can make more scouts.

scourge dont work cause the computer will auto use about 3times the amount of scourge needed to kill one scout. only way to do scourge efficiently is to individually select 2-3 scourge on each unit.. and against 50 units this just isnt possible.. by the time you killed 5 scouts your hatches would be gone.

EDIT: air only units like devs, valks only work if you have a bunch of em, cause of the splash dmg. 1 on 1, all air only units get owned by scouts. and when i say a bunch i mean at least 2-3 presets of em. and personally thats a BIG waist of resources on a unit that will never be able to even touch a single building. you talking about 50 food supply devoted to only air defense. tack on around 40-50 for miners and now your down to under 100 food for actually offensive units.

 

[SmashBros.Pro]

AHHHHHH!!!

Does everyone forget the ultimate power of the Defiler!!
14 fully upgraded Hydras under Dark Swarm would mess 50 scouts up royally. Not to mention Plague thrown in there!! While my Hydras are eating away their shields the Plague is eating away their life!
And same goes for other air units too, except Carriers because like to attack he Interceptors intead of the Carrier itself, but in alot of cases it will still work.

50 Scouts has plenty of counters EMP plus maybe 10 Valks, if they dont spread out their units. Psi Storm and some Archons with a few Sairs in there.

There will always be a countermeasure no matter what the situtation is and alot of people don't understand that, just because the strat has never failed doesn't mean its unbeatible!

 

[Payment]

Scouts are not worth the money though. Sure they may own air, but for how expensive they are, they aint worth it. You could build, a lot more wraiths than scouts with the same amount of money, then lets see who owns...

Wraiths

 

[shrimpshark]

sci ves

sci ves are best if you use them right b/c of eradicate

 

[Silent_Assassin]

terran would suck without dropships

 

[AKA-47]

Originally posted by AmericanPsych0
Scouts totally own Wraiths...

No, corsairs are cheaper and kill wraiths faster. But if the terran had any brains he would of course mix units to counter the scouts.

Tell me terrans would suck without the bc the strongest air units next to the scourge.

No, BCs are mainly used in TvT, and i doubt Terran vs Terran would be unbalanced if u remove a unit

Because up against a toss enemy, theres no comparison. one emp and its gameover for the toss.

I doubt it. Shields are already weak, they take up less % of the units total hp's (except for archons) and they take full damage from all damage types. EMP vs toss is very exagurated, it wont change the outcome of the game, it just costs too much.

plus it make a noobs fleet of carriers 99.9% useless.

Carriers will never be useless, they are some of the best units in the game.

Ya in a large group, but a large group of scouges could take em out.

No, because u dont use wraiths to kill scourges, u pull back when they arrive.

Yep, BC Valkyries and wraiths put to gether with (science Vessel good only against toss) Along with dropships full of tanks, drop em then unleash hell with air and ground units.

This will only work on money maps.

only thing that has ever stopped 4 presets of fully upgraded scouts has been psi storm. ive done it against comps and players alike.. granted a good player would have stormers. but most noobs dont. to date, the only thing that has ever beaten mass scouts is psi storm. hydras cant, muta's cant, carriers cant, BC's cant, wraiths cant, dragoons cant.

What if he destroys ur base long before u get any scouts?

1 on 1, all air only units get owned by scouts.

Well u dont use them 1 on 1 against scouts, u use them together with other units or to hunt overlords!

and personally thats a BIG waist of resources on a unit that will never be able to even touch a single building.

Get 4-5 corsairs and kill 10 overlords. Thats 1000 minerals spent by the enemy on making new overlords, and it also slows down his unit production.

14 fully upgraded Hydras under Dark Swarm would mess 50 scouts up royally

So u actually think the toss player would just sit there and let u kill 50 scouts?? An who makes 50 scouts anyway??

terran would suck without dropships

Of course they would! Terran would suck without marines, they would suck without vultures, they would suck without tanks... remove a single unit from the terran tech tree and the other races would be able to counter whatever they do!

 

[KatanaWolf]

I disagree strongly on that. Remove the vulture...big deal!! The vulture dosen't have much use in the first place. Remove the ghost...outcome won't matter much either!

 

[AKA-47]

Yes it will. It is impossible to win a terran vs protoss without spider mines, and i use ghosts to counter BCs or carriers.

 

[KatanaWolf]

Actually, the only person who I've ever seen us Spider Mines on Battle.net is...me! I know they serve as an early line of defense, but unless you have a whole field crammed full of them, they don't really make much of an impact.