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[glow=red]Putin is a good president, infact the first good leader in about 200 years. He does good things for the country (relations with India, France, US, Mexico, and so on...) he presses all the gov't agencies to work harder, he reopened a war with Chechnya and we are winning it. he spent this summer very active.[/glow]
 

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[glow=red]He did much more then that, thanks to him Russia is getting back on its feet.[/glow]
 

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Do you realize that you are wrong? Russia's economy is growing at 7.2% per year, we are a member of G 8, of UN security council we got all the nukes, influence and potential, Russia will become a super power in 15-20 years from now, at least if its economy continues to grow at today's rate.
 

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Do you realize that you are wrong? Russia's economy is growing at 7.2% per year
for starters, its 7.3% right now, not 7.2%...and that doesnt mean a thing...
Afghanistan's GDP is growing at a rate of 29% per annum right now, does that mean they're going to turn into a super-power? Course not. Sure the Russian economy is growing, but sooner or later, its going to hit a wall, and you're economy's growth rate's going to rapidly decelerate. For starters, I highly doubt that growth rate is sustainable; oil exports constitue a large percentage of your GDP...and in "15-20" years, you can say bye bye to that source of income.

...oh...and about oil...if not for the Sheikhs in my country (the UAE)...you're oil industry would cease to exist...read the papers...its thanks to a bunch of really benevolent investors from the Maktoum family (based in Dubai) that you're leading oil company still exists.

...plus...you're economy's got an external debt of $165.4B...and you're still largely reliant on foreign aid and foreign direct investment.

we got all the nukes
that doesnt mean anything, so what if you've got nukes...you're not the only ones you know...what're you going to do? Bully weaker countries into acknowledging you as a super-power? And that brings to mind something...you're current defense budget: A large percentage of your GDP is based on millitary expenditure...so whilst the figures may 'seem' to illustrate economic growth...its more of just more tanks n stuff... (though based on your remarks on these forums, i bet that you think thats a 'good' thing)...

...and while your economy may be experiencing growth, there's little potential for economic development. Without a complete change in ideology, there's little that can happen in Russia. Your HDI's crap... and your income distribution is just well... probably even worse than countries like Brazil and Mexico...

...and you've got an inflation rate of 12%...without fiscal and monetary measures put into place to curb that high inflation rate, your economy's growth is going to burn out...and any measures aimed at curbing that rate of inflation will have an adverse effect on your economy's growth rate (you're economy's basically in stagflation right now...and to lessen inflation, im guessing your central bank'll have to increase the interest rate or the tax rate...and that'll cut spending, thus decreasing aggregate demand in the economy...which will make that niec 7.3% drop)

influence and potential
When's the last time Russia had a say in foreign matters? As to potential...I agree that your country DOES have potential, but most of its just sitting there waiting to be exploited...which won't happen so long as you've got a corrupt government...

ehm...

EDIT: forgot to ask, Otmo, WTF is the point of this thread? Right now it looks like its going to turn into another of your "Russia PWNS U" threads...
 

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Originally posted by Iliaran
for starters, its 7.3% right now, not 7.2%...and that doesnt mean a thing...
Afghanistan's GDP is growing at a rate of 29% per annum right now, does that mean they're going to turn into a super-power? Course not. Sure the Russian economy is growing, but sooner or later, its going to hit a wall, and you're economy's growth rate's going to rapidly decelerate. For starters, I highly doubt that growth rate is sustainable; oil exports constitue a large percentage of your GDP...and in "15-20" years, you can say bye bye to that source of income.

...oh...and about oil...if not for the Sheikhs in my country (the UAE)...you're oil industry would cease to exist...read the papers...its thanks to a bunch of really benevolent investors from the Maktoum family (based in Dubai) that you're leading oil company still exists.

...plus...you're economy's got an external debt of $165.4B...and you're still largely reliant on foreign aid and foreign direct investment.


that doesnt mean anything, so what if you've got nukes...you're not the only ones you know...what're you going to do? Bully weaker countries into acknowledging you as a super-power? And that brings to mind something...you're current defense budget: A large percentage of your GDP is based on millitary expenditure...so whilst the figures may 'seem' to illustrate economic growth...its more of just more tanks n stuff... (though based on your remarks on these forums, i bet that you think thats a 'good' thing)...

...and while your economy may be experiencing growth, there's little potential for economic development. Without a complete change in ideology, there's little that can happen in Russia. Your HDI's crap... and your income distribution is just well... probably even worse than countries like Brazil and Mexico...

...and you've got an inflation rate of 12%...without fiscal and monetary measures put into place to curb that high inflation rate, your economy's growth is going to burn out...and any measures aimed at curbing that rate of inflation will have an adverse effect on your economy's growth rate (you're economy's basically in stagflation right now...and to lessen inflation, im guessing your central bank'll have to increase the interest rate or the tax rate...and that'll cut spending, thus decreasing aggregate demand in the economy...which will make that niec 7.3% drop)


When's the last time Russia had a say in foreign matters? As to potential...I agree that your country DOES have potential, but most of its just sitting there waiting to be exploited...which won't happen so long as you've got a corrupt government...

ehm...

EDIT: forgot to ask, Otmo, WTF is the point of this thread? Right now it looks like its going to turn into another of your "Russia PWNS U" threads...
First, Arabs have nothing to do with Russian oil, second our oil will last for atleast 50 more years. Third do have a debt but there are a bunch of nations that are in debt to us. Fourth we don't rely on foreign aid, and foreign investment, although it is stimulated. Inflation has been decreasing, 1 dollar is now 29 rubles opposed to being 31 ruble just 6 months ago. Don't forget about our gold, diamonds and natural gas. we are the first ones in natural gas, that will last for a long, long time. Russia has a lot of influence, we basically own Georgia (we own the only electric company they have, and their only airflight company), we work with India on new missiles, we trade with Mexico, France, England, many others. And remember that we didn't go to Iraq unlike some other "more wealthier" nations who couldn't find the courage to stand up against Americans. Anyway this was supposed to be about Putin and what you think of him.
 

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though I can respect your conviction, Otmo, I can't see why you're so obstinate at times...get your facts straight

First, Arabs have nothing to do with Russian oil
funny how this article begs to differ:
LONDON - A consortium of Dubai-based investors has emerged as the mystery backer of a $10-billion offer to save Yukos (YUKO.RS), the troubled Russian oil giant, the Sunday Times reports.

Members of Dubai's ruling Maktoum family are believed to have joined a bid fronted by Konstantin Kagalovsky, a former associate of Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Yukos's largest shareholder.
(from http://www.schlumberger.com/news/story.cfm?storyid=619404 ...it was in the newspapers here too)


Fourth we don't rely on foreign aid, and foreign investment
10 BILLION dollars in one industry alone (see the article above) begs to differ...yes you do rely on aid.

our oil will last for atleast 50 more years
Really?
Russia's oil production= 7.286 million barrerls/day
Russia's oil reserves=51.22 billion barrels

simple math (which I'm sure they teach at your Russian schools, right?) says you've got around 19 years left...whered the other 31 go?

we basically own Georgia
lol...ok...tell you what, Otmo, take the next plane there, go to some shopping mall, and say that....and IF you make it back to your motherland alive, we'll discuss it, ok?

we trade with Mexico, France, England
actually...your main trading partners are Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands...once again, get your facts straight

And remember that we didn't go to Iraq unlike some other "more wealthier"
yea...and thats why your country's going to be a super-power? I see no connection between your arguments and the "more wealthier" nations invading Iraq..stick to the topic at hand, dont run away with some Iraq BS.

...oh and please dont quote entire posts...its annoying...and do try to do some research BEFORE posting...
 

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you didnt go to iraq...yet your at war with checknya and trot around saying that your better than countries like america, uk, and other nations that backed the war.

Oil...there is more oil in alaska alone than the whole middle east(if i got the info correctly) and another thing i have been told is that in another 20-30 years, Oil will not be needed nearly as much as it is today. Remember when steam was of one of the most highly used energy outputs used in the world and then about 40+ years later, oil became the new thing? well, ive been told that oil will become much like the steam engine. Used here and there but not nearly as often as the new substance. I think it is fusion energy that is suposedly the next big energy source but im not positive.

I think you(russia) is being really smart right now though because your working with india. If you guys work on with the people and help make them a super power, your going to be sitting pretty


Iliaran, how old r u? you seem really well educated.
 

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Originally posted by Iliaran
though I can respect your conviction, Otmo, I can't see why you're so obstinate at times...get your facts straight



funny how this article begs to differ:

(from http://www.schlumberger.com/news/story.cfm?storyid=619404 ...it was in the newspapers here too)




10 BILLION dollars in one industry alone (see the article above) begs to differ...yes you do rely on aid.


Really?
Russia's oil production= 7.286 million barrerls/day
Russia's oil reserves=51.22 billion barrels

simple math (which I'm sure they teach at your Russian schools, right?) says you've got around 19 years left...whered the other 31 go?


lol...ok...tell you what, Otmo, take the next plane there, go to some shopping mall, and say that....and IF you make it back to your motherland alive, we'll discuss it, ok?


actually...your main trading partners are Germany, Italy, and the Netherlands...once again, get your facts straight



yea...and thats why your country's going to be a super-power? I see no connection between your arguments and the "more wealthier" nations invading Iraq..stick to the topic at hand, dont run away with some Iraq BS.

...oh and please dont quote entire posts...its annoying...and do try to do some research BEFORE posting...
Yukos isn't the only energy company in Russia. There are many others including Gasprom, which is even larger then Yukos. Other thing, we trade with Mexico, Putin have been having talks this summer, he even went to Mexico. My facts are straight. We don't rely on foreign aid as i said before it is stimulated but it is not the dominating precent of our common wealth. Also seens Russia is world's second largest oil producer and oil prices are higher then ever then i don't see any reason for the economy to stop growing. Go get your facts straight, and try less biased sources.Also i forgot the company named Lukoil, also a big oil producer. Oh and even without oil Russia would still be world largest natural gas producer.
 

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Otto, the Russian nukes are 20 years old, and vastly inferior to the 10 of thousands of modern nukes we have.

You're not a world superpower. You're a bug with a gun that's loaded with old, outdated bullets.
 

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First our nukes are as old as yours, or atlesat supposed to be if you kept your end of the agreement. Second we are a local superpower, but in 20-30 years we'll get back on our feet. I already posted a link somethere, it says that we have all modern types of rockets possible at our dispossal just put nukes in them and thats it. Besides the fact remains a fact a nuke sent from Kursk can reach Washington, and we have the best nuclear hit protection program in the world, one of the legacies of USSR, creating it was a joint US, USSR mission, thats then we both got one.
 

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For once I agree with the stupid Russian that Putin is what Russia needs right now. However, Otmorozok is still retarded.
 

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There are many others including Gasprom, which is even larger then Yukos.
From BBC's website "Russia's largest oil company Yukos reportedly shipped..."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1868990.stm)
hm...i guess i was right.

Other thing, we trade with Mexico, Putin have been having talks this summer
Mexico is a third world country currently being exploited by NAFTA. Whats Putin planning to do? Exploit the cheap labor there? Build more maquiledoras (sp?)

Also seens Russia is world's second largest oil producer and oil prices are higher then ever then i don't see any reason for the economy to stop growing...Oh and even without oil Russia would still be world largest natural gas producer.
:D thanks for cornering yourself. In economics, countries that rely on primary sector production are called LDCs, LESSER developed countries. So no...Russia's not going to be a super-power anytime soon. And while im on the topic of LDCs, half your population lives at subsistence levels; its a wonder you can even get online and post on these forums. Diversifying is the only way you're country's ever going to get back on its feet. I do realize that Putin HAS taken measures bring Russia out of recession and that hyperinflation is a thing of the past, yet your economy's growth rate just doesnt seem sustainable (esp. without undergoing a demographic transition)...oh and so what if you're country's growing. There's a marked difference between economic growth and economic development. Just growth won't make you a superpower....and most indicators used for economic development (the human development index being the one I used in one of my last posts) indicate that you're country's going no where.

...and contrary to what you're saying...most of you're financial injections come from foreign investors...(once again TEN BILLION DOLLARS from Arabian Sheikhs into one company alone)

btw...Russia's the 3rd largest oil producer...Saudi Arabia's first, the United States is second, and you're third. (CIA world factbook)

Go get your facts straight, and try less biased sources
You've still to prove me wrong...
and biased? My sources present facts, not opinions, and facts by virtue CANT be biased.
...and correct me if im mistaken, but I've produced evidence and cited reliable sources, whereas all you've done is ignorantly blabbed on and on about how great your country is.


...and your country is very much in debt and reliant on aid...11% of your export earnings go to paying off your debts (source: The international bank for reconstruction and development, and the world bank)

Aside: WTF is with you and weapons. Half the threads about Russia that you start end up being arguments about who's got the biggest guns. All you do is blab on and on about how your planes are better, your tanks are more advanced...and now, your nukes are better ... get over it. You're a narcissistic prick and it doesnt help your arguments.

and DwarfSpirits, im just your stereotypical 17 year old...
 

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Originally posted by Iliaran
From BBC's website "Russia's largest oil company Yukos reportedly shipped..."
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1868990.stm)
hm...i guess i was right.


Mexico is a third world country currently being exploited by NAFTA. Whats Putin planning to do? Exploit the cheap labor there? Build more maquiledoras (sp?)


:D thanks for cornering yourself. In economics, countries that rely on primary sector production are called LDCs, LESSER developed countries. So no...Russia's not going to be a super-power anytime soon. And while im on the topic of LDCs, half your population lives at subsistence levels; its a wonder you can even get online and post on these forums. Diversifying is the only way you're country's ever going to get back on its feet. I do realize that Putin HAS taken measures bring Russia out of recession and that hyperinflation is a thing of the past, yet your economy's growth rate just doesnt seem sustainable (esp. without undergoing a demographic transition)...oh and so what if you're country's growing. There's a marked difference between economic growth and economic development. Just growth won't make you a superpower....and most indicators used for economic development (the human development index being the one I used in one of my last posts) indicate that you're country's going no where.

...and contrary to what you're saying...most of you're financial injections come from foreign investors...(once again TEN BILLION DOLLARS from Arabian Sheikhs into one company alone)

btw...Russia's the 3rd largest oil producer...Saudi Arabia's first, the United States is second, and you're third. (CIA world factbook)


You've still to prove me wrong...
and biased? My sources present facts, not opinions, and facts by virtue CANT be biased.
...and correct me if im mistaken, but I've produced evidence and cited reliable sources, whereas all you've done is ignorantly blabbed on and on about how great your country is.


...and your country is very much in debt and reliant on aid...11% of your export earnings go to paying off your debts (source: The international bank for reconstruction and development, and the world bank)

Aside: WTF is with you and weapons. Half the threads about Russia that you start end up being arguments about who's got the biggest guns. All you do is blab on and on about how your planes are better, your tanks are more advanced...and now, your nukes are better ... get over it. You're a narcissistic prick and it doesnt help your arguments.

and DwarfSpirits, im just your stereotypical 17 year old...
First about BBC, just because liberal Tv says something is true it doens't mean it is true. Second Russia is world's second oil producer. Third, foreign aid isn't countries primary income. Fourth, everyone i know has enternet, in big cities like Moscow and St.Petersburg no one has a cow no matter what you think. We are going to be a super power, there is just no reason for us not to be, we got all the resources and potential all we need is a strong leader.

Also read this
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/russia.html

we have few million more barrels then you thought, and it prooves that you were wrong about US being second oil producer, too bad for you.
 

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OMG... how retarded can you get?

The BBC thing: find a source that says otherwise, then come in here claiming that they're not telling the truth. I'm sure the BBC has some evil anti-Russia scheme thats somehow furthered by lying about which company's bigger. (note the sarcasm)

it prooves that you were wrong about US being second oil producer, too bad for you.
From your site:
"Russia is also the world's largest exporter of natural gas, the second largest oil exporter"

(note how it sais EXPORTER and not PRODUCER)

Otmo, there's a difference between oil PRODUCTION and oil EXPORTATION. It sorta goes like this:
Total oil produced=oil exported+oil consumed (in ur motherland)

learn to read. I suggest going through kindergarten again (you DO have that in Russia, right?)....and get yourself a dictionary while you're at it...i guess you just "prooved" yourself wrong.

foreign aid isn't countries primary income
Where do you get this from? Do you just randomly pull stuff out of your ass and post it here? Read my posts more carefully next time, I said your country's reliant on aid, I never said that aid was your country's primary source of income.

everyone i know has enternet
Is that some sort of new crazy Russian sex thing? I've personally never had "enternet" with anyone before...

we have few million more barrels then you thought
So you're telling me that the CIA's lying about how much oil you've got left?

We are going to be a super power, there is just no reason for us not to be, we got all the resources and potential all we need is a strong leader.
Good for you! Why do you even bother starting these threads if all you're going to do it make assertions and be obstinate about them? I believe it is in the spirit of the Arcane Sanctuary to be open minded to new ideas (including but not limited to the fact that right now, your country's future looks rather bleak).

...and you need more than a strong leader...you need a complete change in ideology...you need ambition...you need to get over the 'mine's bigger than yours!' attitude.

...oh, and please stop quoting entire posts, its rather annoying... pick out the parts your going to argue against and quote them instead... (take your last post for example, your quote (my post, btw) is longer than the few sentences of bs you added at the end)
 

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If CIA is lying then it needs to lie, not my problem. Russia doesn't rely on foreign aid, how about you give me something that says that. Oh and about BBC, i already gave you a link it talks about Gasprom in there, read it again. About your kindergarden remark, how many languages do you speak? So keep quiet. Anyway we export more oil then you do, read my link again its all in there.
 

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If CIA is lying then it needs to lie
I'm sorry but thats about as meaningful as this: dsklfsklghsd (consider "dsklfsklghsd" a euphimism...was this the asylum I would've used a couple of derogatory terms to make sure you got the message)

Yukos isn't the only energy company in Russia. There are many others including Gasprom, which is even larger then Yukos
Sneaky you are...changing it to energy...your orginal argument was that Gazprom's a larger OIL company than Yukos, which I then debunked. Don't go changing your arugments. Your link is therefore meaningless.

how many languages do you speak?
Once again, whats with you and having to prove that you're better than everyone else?

we export more oil then you do
Yes, I know Russia exports more oil than the UAE. Duh. What I dont get, however, is why you're trying to compare yet another country to your own.

I'm all for patriotism and stuff, but you give the word new meaning.

btw...unless if you can come up with coherent, logical arguments supported by trustworthy sources...you can consider this my last post in this topic....arguing with you is about as constructive as arguing with a brick wall cause you're so narrow-minded and stuck up (once again, a euphimism)...
 

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Same here, arguing with you is pointless you don't want to listen to the facts. Anyway read all of my link again if you have any interest in this thread.
 

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