Discust with Illegal Aliens

[LawrenceOfArabia]

Okay first off, im saying illegal aliens in general, but im going to use illegal mexican immigrants because thats easier to relate to.

Alright, i am beggining to get discusted with illegal immigrants and the nations policy that if your are born in america you are an american citizen.

first let me kickoff with i hate illegal aliens to hell. if they say they pay income taxes, good job, they just got social security numbers...an illegal witha social security number? can we say FRAUD? That means they are also frauding the tax income papers. more and more illegal action. we need to end this and end it soon.

Second point, being born in america and becoming an american citizen is a highly outdated system. If an illegal immigrant can have a child in america and ride the wealfare, thats already messed up. that law needs to be updated soon or else its going to be the death of wealfare.

 

[JeFfDiddy78]

RIGHT ON! there are so many dems. in here saying that im racist for being against that shit we need more of you in this world

 

[BushForEmperor]

True that my friend! Preach it! Illegals are a huge part why welfare is failing. Giving out social security numbers to them to is a fraud. The corruption from the Clinton administration really ruined our borders. I still remember those fox file reports where they put a hidden camera in the test area and the instructor gave out the answers. And the illegals destroy farmers crops and animals on the border states. Got that from a fox report which even interviewed some of the farmers. An old lady had to bar up her windows and sleep with a gun beside her bed because she is in the path of the illegals. I would like to know from any of you hippies out there how illegal imigration is good for this country. I mean tell me, What am I missing that you all can see?

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

thats about 3 laws broken.

the first one is obvious

the second is Social Security Fraud

and third is Tax Fraud

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by JeFfDiddy78
RIGHT ON! there are so many dems. in here saying that im racist for being against that shit we need more of you in this world

Just reading your post has seriously made me dumber... ugh... people like you are a disgrace to the the name Republican and what it what stands for... learn to argue a point or a belief using support... you are trying to make an arguement with absolutely nothing to support it and you're suprised that you're called a racist. You sound like a total jackass... delete your idiotic post and spare yourself the embarrasment... ugh... you've led me to create a new word, "****tard", a combination of "****ing retard", words that describe you perfectly...

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

this isnt a bashing thread on how dumb the dude is, all you have to do is say, MAKE A STATEMENT I CAN UNDERSTAND.

 

[JeFfDiddy78]

lol yeah i know i spent so much time in the asylum i forgot how to be intelligent

 

[CelestialBadger]

1) Please don't try the argument about aliens "stealing your jobs". That just doesn't cut it.
2) Can you offer a solution to illegal immigration that's not just a bunch of disguised racism? IE, don't give me some "we need kill Mexicans/kick them all out/put up a big fence" line.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
1) Please don't try the argument about aliens "stealing your jobs". That just doesn't cut it.
2) Can you offer a solution to illegal immigration that's not just a bunch of disguised racism? IE, don't give me some "we need kill Mexicans/kick them all out/put up a big fence" line.

#1 doesn't apply to me here...

#2, in this case, I would like to use an idea brought up by Bill O'Reilly, rather than just having a border patrol, we should enforce our immigration policies by having our borders supported by the National Guard... I'm sure that would cut boarder hopping by a lot... now for immigrants that come aboard planes and then refuse to leave after their visas are no longer legal... that would be a lot harder, but we should dedicate more people to keeping track of these people... possibly a new department dedicated to keeping track of the immigrants and chasing down the ones that refuse to leave after their visas have gone sour... just a little idea on my part...

 

[BushForEmperor]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
1) Please don't try the argument about aliens "stealing your jobs". That just doesn't cut it.
2) Can you offer a solution to illegal immigration that's not just a bunch of disguised racism? IE, don't give me some "we need kill Mexicans/kick them all out/put up a big fence" line.

Who said we need to kill them all? I think someone has some naughty thoughts in their mind. We cant kick all of them out either. Kick most out, and guard the border with the National Guard is what we can do. We can let them in only if they pass certain tests(literacy, math, and so on). The only reason why we are using mexicans as an example is because, well, I dont think we have illegal canadian problems do we(seriously i want to know)? There are millions of illegal mexicans in this great country so it make things a lot easier to use them as an example.

 

[TrongaMonga]

You can aliens to foreigners? Uh? Thought that only applied to extraterrestrials...

Oh well, never is late to learn.

You just forgot one little thing.

Would you abandon your country just to harass the neigbours? Do you really think they do that because that's what they want? They have the same right to live, but they can't... So, they go to what seems like the El Dorado to them, the US.

But then, they won't have much more life than in their country...

 

[LawrenceOfArabia]

#2: Simple, dont give welfare to anyone born in america without at least 1 american parent. no one will want to come if they dont get any free cash



Tronga, the mexicans shoot anyone coming across their south border practically. what gives them the freedom to to come across our borders? even if they can, then they break several american laws yet never get put in jail or anything.

 

[TrongaMonga]

They won't just come because you get free cash...

They'll come because of the opression, the lack of oportunities on their countries...

US has more oportunities, as that's what you spread to the outer world.

 

[BushForEmperor]

Originally posted by TrongaMonga
They won't just come because you get free cash...

They'll come because of the opression, the lack of oportunities on their countries...

US has more oportunities, as that's what you spread to the outer world.

Sure the US had more opportunities. And who should get those oppurtunitoes first? Well according to you people who are not even American citizens. American citizens should get those oppurtunities first. How would you like it if a bunch of Spanish(if your really from Portugal) flooded into your country by the millions and took YOUR jobs and opportunities? You would have the same position as me so shut it. O and by the way, who oppresses the mexicans? Their drug lords that are also sending drugs into our country with the columbians and such? That is why we need stronger borders and immigration restrictions.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Why should literacy/math tests only apply to immigrants? A lot of natural-born citizens would fail if they had to take it. Subjecting foreigners to that, whether you like my opinion or not, is simply racist. I mean, the guy who created this thread mispelled "disgust"! I'm not bashing Lawrence, just pointing out that perhaps literacy tests aren't the best idea.

Oh, and don't even try to imply that I think killing Mexicans is a good idea. When you feel like twisting my words around I'll provide you a nice link to the Asylum.

Lawrence: wouldn't that encourage people to marry into an American family to collect welfare? I know people now who have married just to extend their visa. I see no reason for it not to apply to this as well.

jaguar: See, I would have trouble with the government keeping close tabs on a person like that. The National Guard might work, but they have other duties as well. If that idea were implemented their role would need to be expanded probably. Oh, and please read my post in the "Re-elect Bush" thread.

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Tronga, the mexicans shoot anyone coming across their south border practically. what gives them the freedom to to come across our borders? even if they can, then they break several american laws yet never get put in jail or anything.

What the hell are you talking about? I've visited Mexico and you're telling me that Mexicans shoot anyone who crosses the border? Are you just making shit up?

BushforEmporer: Did you not read what I said? Don't try to pull the "they're stealing my job" thing. That's just complete shit. This is how capitalism is supposed to work. If you don't like Mexicans getting "your" job then maybe you should work harder.

 

[jaguar291]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger
jaguar: See, I would have trouble with the government keeping close tabs on a person like that. The National Guard might work, but they have other duties as well. If that idea were implemented their role would need to be expanded probably. Oh, and please read my post in the "Re-elect Bush" thread.

Well, each state does have its own company of the National Guard and since this would only affect the boarder states and possibly the ones along the coasts, I doubt it would be too much of a hassle on their parts... although I do see where you are going with it, I can pretty much assure you that it wouldn't be all that big of a problem to place the National Guard as a boarder patrol... and yes, I know my response was circular but it answers the question...

As for you having a problem with them monitoring a person like that, it wouldn't really matter what you thought, these people aren't citizens of the U.S. and until they leave, they should be treated as they are a threat to this country...

And your post in the "Re-elect Bush" thread has been read and responded to already...

 

[TrongaMonga]

Originally posted by BushForEmperor
Sure the US had more opportunities. And who should get those oppurtunitoes first? Well according to you people who are not even American citizens. American citizens should get those oppurtunities first. How would you like it if a bunch of Spanish(if your really from Portugal) flooded into your country by the millions and took YOUR jobs and opportunities? You would have the same position as me so shut it. O and by the way, who oppresses the mexicans? Their drug lords that are also sending drugs into our country with the columbians and such? That is why we need stronger borders and immigration restrictions.

Tipical American :rolleyes.

You know nothing on the "Outer-Space" (without counting that you actually know where my country is, what is very uncommon on Americans, unless...).

Like only your country had problems... Well, mate, to my country are not just some mexicans who enter to run from the drug lords.

Those who come are africans, that come in the most horrible ways, to run from the War Lords, the famine, the deseases.

Do not even dare to compare the things, the US is a way more rich country than my own. It's an isnland, with hard acesses other than seas (that are easily controled nowadays with your technology), air (...) and land, by Canada (really very few) and Mexico. On my country, half of our borders are mountais, they can very easily enter that way...

Yet we do welcome a bunch of them (we can't hold all of them, unfortunately )...

You guys, instead of being thinking on your own ass, should actually worry about those guys...

But I know it's easier said than done :rolleyes.

 

[OMGLOLWTFPWN]

Originally posted by BushForEmperor
Sure the US had more opportunities. And who should get those oppurtunitoes first? Well according to you people who are not even American citizens. American citizens should get those oppurtunities first. How would you like it if a bunch of Spanish(if your really from Portugal) flooded into your country by the millions and took YOUR jobs and opportunities? You would have the same position as me so shut it. O and by the way, who oppresses the mexicans? Their drug lords that are also sending drugs into our country with the columbians and such? That is why we need stronger borders and immigration restrictions.

So suck it up and work harder... If you get your job taken by an illegal immigrant who most likely has less education and chances to get their foot in the door at companies, then you need to start working harder. I don't see why being born in the U.S. makes you entitled to the first chance at these opportunities as you say. Yeah more immigration enforcement would be great to stop people who are criminals and such from getting in the country, but people who want to come to the country shouldn't be a problem especially if they are looking for a better life because their old country sucked.

 

[BushForEmperor]

Originally posted by CelestialBadger

BushforEmporer: Did you not read what I said? Don't try to pull the "they're stealing my job" thing. That's just complete shit. This is how capitalism is supposed to work. If you don't like Mexicans getting "your" job then maybe you should work harder.

Where did i say they where stealing my job? You spun my words around. I meant that they were taking the jobs of the Americans who were laid off and cant find jobs(though i must admit, they're r far too many lazy fat ass americans). This applies to you too treefrog. They can come into this country as long as they dont bring our country down to the level thier country is at.

And tronga what do you mean by typical american? there are plenty of americans in here that r the complete opposite of me. Im the way i am because i have experience with illegals and other immigrants destroying towns, my old neighborhood in NY became really crappy and run down after an "invasion". I applaud your country for helping out with others, its just when things go to far and Americans start going down, it gets me angry.

 

[CelestialBadger]

How would you like it if a bunch of Spanish(if your really from Portugal) flooded into your country by the millions and took YOUR jobs and opportunities?

I didn't spin your words around. You implied here that Mexicans take our jobs and opportunities. As Treefrog said, work harder. Now you're saying that they take jobs from laid-off lazy Americans. What are we supposed to do? Coax lazy Americans to work? Offer extra incentives for working if you're an American? Sure Mexicans get jobs over lazy Americans because....the Mexicans aren't lazy.