Starcraft Map making chat-Experts

Discussion in 'StarCraft Maps, Patches & Mods' started by ExtremeGamers, Dec 29, 2002.

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Have you made a map b4? any good?

  1. Ya but it sux

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  2. Ya they awsome and very successful

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  3. Nope dont care

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  4. No the map editor confuses me

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  1. Lwek

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    Dang it tassadar. I had a long post that was going to asnwer the problems. Before I finished it my computer frozed and I lost the whole damn long post.
     
  2. Bolt Head

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    This post is a reply to crooked’s long post several spots above this I am not quoting it to save space

    Crooked I believe your triggers with the switches is a lot of unnecessary work and you will find several bugs In what you have done

    1. I’m not sure of the circumstances but since switches are not defined to a single player and since player 1 will set a switch once he picks a unit then all the remaining triggers with switch 1 as there conditions in them will happen right then.

    2. Avoid using the waits "1,800,000mil" they are completely pointless and you will see they cause more problems than fix. When you wait for that long, then remaining triggers with waits in them will not be carried out until the wait is finished. (Some people refer to this as the waits "adding together" this is actually a misinterpretation)

    3. You said that switch 3 prevents the defeat or victory trigger from happening too soon. Maybe this was a error on your part but its completely false since the condition requires it to be set and you set that switch on one of your earlier triggers. It would be much easier to use a condition that refers to the count down timer instead of the switches and long waits "count down time is at most 0 seconds".

    4. I don't think any of your triggers needed switches at all since most of the switches are just used to directly activate another trigger without any other conditions. these extra actions could just be tacked on the original trigger.
    -Doing a trigger like that is useful for two reasons 1. to change the player activating the trigger (so a trigger owned by a computer can make sounds or display text for human players or some other actions where current player is necessary). 2. To be a quick reference to a action that is activated by many different situations.
     
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    This is not part of the previous post because it has nothing to do with it

    I would like to take a shot at explaining switches hopefully it will help if the other post did not.

    ==========SWITCH BACICS===============
    -All switches have two states SET and CLEAR and all of them are either set or clear at all times in the game.
    -All switches start the game as clear
    -Switches are not unique to individual players so many times it is necessary to have a switch for each player
    -Switches can have 4 things done to them in the action part of the window 1.SET 2.CLEAR 3.TOGGLE 4.RANDOMIZE
    chances are you will just be using 1 and 2 for now
    -When a switch is in the conditions of a trigger it is checking to see if the switch is on or off. If the conditions are "switch 1 is set" and the switch is clear the trigger will not fire.
    -When a switch is in the actions of a trigger you are modifiying the switches state (set or clear)
    ====================================

    You may already know all this or not and your saying "I know, WHAT ARE THEY FOR" ill try my best to answer this now

    Switches basically used to relate triggers to each other. Many situations are impossible to determine using standard conditions.
    -Like if a player has been to a location in the PAST
    -Switches can be used to recognize if a trigger has already been carried out.
    -There commonly used If your creating a bound and you need a way to stop and start new levels

    ==========EXAMPLE Door Locked==============
    1. You might be creating a rpg and you stumble on a door you and you want this door to be "LOCKED"
    you can use a switch to represent when this door is unlocked or locked. In a independent trigger you will set the switch to represent unlocking the door of finding the key" The triggers would look like this
    =Trigger 1.=
    Conditions:
    -[Current player] brings at [least] [one] [men] to location [key]
    Actions:
    -[Set] [switch 1] <-- probably will rename the switch to Key1
    -Display text [you have found a key in the bushes] <- just decoration nice to have
    =Trigger 2=
    Conditions-
    -[Switch 1] is [set]
    -[Current player] brings [at least] [1] [men] to location [door]
    Actions-
    -[Disable] doodad state for [upper right door] at location [door] for [all players] <-- this condition opens the doodad door
    -Display text [you have unlocked the door] <--again this is decoration

    These are basically the trigger for you locked door if a player walks up to it before they get the key the door will not open but if they got the key ealyer then the door will open

    Here is a 3rd trigger i like to though in for effect
    =Trigger 3=
    Conditions:
    -[Switch 1] is [Clear]
    -[Current player] brings [at least] [1] [men] to location [Door]
    Actions:
    -Display text [This door is locked you must find the key to enter]
    -wait 4000 <-- this is so your message isn't spammed
    ==========EXAMPLE Power generator==============
    Say your creating a game with a power generator I¡¦m not sure what you may use this for but it¡¦s the principle that counts.

    I¡¦m going to set it up so when you walk to the generator it will turn on and remain on for 1 minute before powering off.

    =Trigger 1 turn on generator=
    -[Current player brings at least one men to power generator]
    -[switch generator] is [clear] „² this is so the trigger does not happen when the generator is on
    Actions:
    -[set] [switch generator]
    -[set] countdown timer to [60] seconds „² not a switch
    -display text ¡V[generator powered up]
    -play wav [some generator sound] „²these two actions are for cool effects
    -preserve trigger
    =Trigger 2 power down generator=
    Conditions:
    -[switch generator] is [set] „² once again this it to prevent the trigger from happening when the generator is off
    -count down timer is [at most] [0] seconds
    Actions:
    -[Clear] [switch generator]
    -Display text [the generator has shut down]
    -preserve trigger

    This is the basics for your generator but right now it does nothing but cool text messages you can add now have triggers that require the generator to be on in order to carry out

    =Trigger 3 something that needs power generator on=
    Actions:
    -[switch generator] is [set]
    -[Current player] brings [at least] [one] [men] to [heal machine]
    Conditions:
    -set hit points for [all] [men] for [current player] at [heal machine] to 100%
    -display text [you have been healed]
    -preserver trigger

    I decided to make the generator power a "healing machine" you can add many other things for the generator to power as well. You may also want a trigger to tell the player that the healing machine has no power when the generator is off. For this you would use the switch to be clear.
     
  4. tassadar920

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    bolt, that was a hell of alot of extra work to say one little tiny thing...
     
  5. Bolt Head

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    yes i know you say "there like light switches" but that doesn't help people
     
  6. tassadar920

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    well, sometimes ppl don't really want to read a huge ass post...
     
  7. Lwek

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    Hey try to get Crookedfoot to Add that whole switch thing to the Duh Thread.
     
  8. Bolt Head

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    thats fine with me :) Some times it is neccary to write more, most people who are asking what switches are need more than a short definition and even once they read a long one like mine they may still have questions.
    I know this because i have tought many people about switches most of them it takes about a hour. Other people can pick it up quick and not need to be told. I did this and im assuming crooked foot did not judgeing by a pervious post. (nothing againsed crooked your a great guy)
     
  9. Lwek

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    The colors for Guedit:

    00 - red
    01 - blue
    02 - teal
    03 - purple
    04 - orange
    05 - brown
    06 - white
    07 - yellow
    08 - green
    09 - pale yellow
    10 - tan
    11 - aqua(neutral color)
    12 - pale green
    13 - blueish gray
    14 - pale yellow(same as 09)
    15 - cyan
    16 - neon blue w/ grey areas
    17 - black
    18 - neon blue
    19 - neon blue w/ orange areas
    20 - mixture of black,white,blue
    21 - lavender
    22 - black
    23 - mixture of white and blue
    24 - neon blue w/ black
    25 - blue w/ lavender
    26 - mixture of white,blue,lavender
    27 - purple w/ blue
    28 - black w/ blue
    29 - blue w/ violet
    30 - skyblue
    31 - black w/blue
    32 - neon blue w/ skyblue
    33 - purple w/ violet
    34 - black
    35 - blue w/ lavender
    36 - yellow orange w/ neon blue
    37 - neon blue
    38 - black and some other color
    39 - neon blue and some other color
    40 - neon blue w/ black and something else
    41 - black w/ blue spots
    42 - green w/ skyblue
    43 - blue w/ white
    44 - blue and some other color
    45 - teal,purple,blue
    46 - lavender w/ grey
    47 - neon blue w/ black
    48 - blue w/ black
    49 - blue w/ dark blue
    50 - blue and something unknown
    51 - blue w/ black
    52 - blue w/ white
    53 - blue w/ black
    54 - blue w/ sky blue
    55 - blue w/ black
    56 - white w/ black
    57 - blue w/ black
    58 - flesh w/ yellow orange
    59 - flesh w/ lavender
    60 - funky colors (trust me on this one)
    61 - black
    62 - black
    63 - black
    64 - black
    65 - black
    66 - black
    67 - black
    68 - funky colors (again)
    69 - blue w/ light shade of brown
    70 - blue w/ black
    71 - blue,black,red
    72 - black
    73 - black
    74 - neon pink w/ blue
    75 - dark blue w/ black
    76 - skyblue w/ neon blue
    77 - neon blue
    78 - blue w/ black
    79 - blue w/ tan
    80 - weird color (sorry,don't know what this is)
    81 - black
    82 - pink w/ lavender
    83 - black w/ skyblue
    84 - black,orange,cyan
    85 - blue w/ white
    86 - black w/ blue
    87 - black w/ blue
    88 - pale yellow w/ blue
    89 - blue w/ neon green
    90 - white w/ blue
    91 - black w/ lavender
    92 - black w/ blue
    93 - blue w/ black
    94 - tan w/ green
    95 - violet w/ blue
    96 - black
    97 - blue w/ black
    98 - skyblue w/ black
    99 - lavender w/ blue
    100 - cyan w/ black
    101 - pale yellow w/ flesh
    102 - black w/ pale yellow
    103 - pink w/ black
    104 - cyan w/ green
    105 - grey w/ red orange
    106 - red w/ green
    107 - black w/ blue
    108 - cyan w/ blue
    109 - blue w/ teal
    110 - blue w/ tan
    111 - cyan w/ green
    112 - orange w/ pale yellow
    113 - green,red,orange
    114 - pale yellow,flesh,gold
    115 - tan,maroon,orange
    116 - black w/ blue
    117 - pale yellow w/ tan
    118 - black w/ white
    119 - black w/ tan
    120 - green w/ orange
    121 - black,lavender,blue
    122 - black,white,blue
    123 - black,white,blue
    124 - cyan w/ black
    125 - grey w/ flesh
    126 - red orange w/ dark red
    127 - black,lavender,blue
    128 - skyblue,blue,green
    129 - green,grey,red,orange
    130 - white w/ cyan
    131 - gold w/ blue
    132 - tan,orange,green
    133 - black w/ blue
    134 - cyan,black,blue
    135 - black,blue,brown
    136 - black
    137 - blue w/ black
    138 - blue,black,orange
    139 - black
    140 - cyan w/ blue
    141 - blue w/ black
    142 - blue w/ black
    143 - black <<===this one is the best black color ever.
    144 - cyan w/ blue
    145 - lavender w/ neon blue
    146 - skyblue w/ blue
    147 - aqua / blue
    148 - black,grey,red orange
    149 - brown,blue,maroon
    150 - black w/ aqua
    151 - black,white,blue
    152 - blue w/ white
    153 - black w/ flesh
    154 - red,blue,black
    155 - black,pink,white
    156 - blue w/ grey
    157 - black w/ aqua
    158 - black
    159 - white,aqua,blue
    160 - black w/ blue
    161 - blue w/ black
    162 - lavender,black,blue
    163 - black w/ white
    164 - blue w/ black
    165 - gold,blue,white
    166 - black w/ white
    167 - grey w/ blue
    168 - black
    169 - black
    170 - black
    171 - black
    172 - black
    173 - blue w/ black
    174 - black
    175 - blue w/ brown
    176 - black,blue,aqua
    177 - brown w/ white
    178 - black w/ grey
    179 - blue /w white
    180 - black
    181 - aqua,black,white
    182 - flesh w/grey
    183 - grey w/ black
    184 - black
    185 - black
    186 - black
    187 - black
    188 - black
    189 - black
    190 - black
    191 - black
    192 - black
    193 - black
    194 - black
    195 - black
    196 - black
    197 - black
    198 - black
    199 - black
    200 - black
    201 - black
    202 - black
    203 - black
    204 - black
    205 - black
    206 - black
    207 - black
    208 - black
    209 - black
    210 - black
    211 - black,white,red
    212 - teal,pale green,blue
    213 - red orange w/ white
    214 - pale green w/ blue
    215 - brown,grey,lavender
    216 - blue w/ black
    217 - white,orange,blue
    218 - aqua w/ blue
    219 - orange,blue,white
    220 - pink,brown,gold
    221 - army colors
    222 - black
    223 - black
    224 - black
    225 - black
    226 - black
    227 - black
    228 - black
    229 - black
    230 - white w/ blue
    231 - brown w/ grey
    232 - black w/ white
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    233 - Random Colors (May Crash SC)
    234 - Random Colors (May Crash SC)
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    236 - Random Colors (May Crash SC)
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  10. tassadar920

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    thx for the colors, im adding the colors and a overview of switches to the DUH! thread.

    I've already addded how to place doodads anywhere (this is getting mad large)

    Also, im asking you guys who have sites to, if you want it, copy parts of the DUH! thread and use them for urself as long as you give me recognition.
     
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    Or we can just link up to it.

    You can edit your Duh thread. I had my of my threads stickied and I can't edit it. ah Maybe you have special permission. Anyways I found the color list on page 5 or 6 of the Starcraft UMS forum.
     
  12. tassadar920

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    I can edit the duh thread a lot, i just ask crooked and he opens it so i can edit and make my changes.
     
  13. Lwek

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    CHEAP!
     
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    lol if u have a sticky up, u could do it too, but of crouse i was the first to post the DUH! thread (i spent alot of time on that)
     
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    I posted something on the Duh! thread. It's really helpfull. I wanted to start a Duh 2 answering the questions that have been recently asked on this forum.
     
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    I only add questions that are actually important, answering every question in that thread, and soon we will have to add a "Conents" thread so ppl can find stuff.
     
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    "frequently asked questions also known as the Duh! thread."

    A lot of people do ask " where can I get a really good editor "
    "what program changes color and where can i get it"
    etc.
     
  18. tassadar920

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    yeah true, well you added your stuff in there now :).

    Now shaddup and be happy u got anything in there.
     
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