New Course Brings Bible Back to Public School Classrooms

[jd-inflames]

That school would have to have an enormous staff, beings there are new religions being formed every day...

 

[TheGardian]

Yes, I believe our constitution is based on the bible, otherwise, why would John Q. Adams say, ."our constitution was made for a moral and religious people it is wholly inadequate to govern any other"? You see, If the nation is not a christian nation, we will be unable to govern the people in it, in fact, since Prayer was un precedentedly torn out of schools, in 1962, teenage pregnancy, crime, divorce, to name a few... have risen sharply, explain that? And Please, stay out of giving other religions an equal standing. We should stick to the Parent religion of our constitution.

 

[Arkillo]

Wheres the jewish, serbian, buddish, and all the other religon classes?

 

[Forged]

Originally posted by TheGardian
Yes, I believe our constitution is based on the bible, otherwise, why would John Q. Adams say, ."our constitution was made for a moral and religious people it is wholly inadequate to govern any other"? You see, If the nation is not a christian nation, we will be unable to govern the people in it, in fact, since Prayer was un precedentedly torn out of schools, in 1962, teenage pregnancy, crime, divorce, to name a few... have risen sharply, explain that? And Please, stay out of giving other religions an equal standing. We should stick to the Parent religion of our constitution.

Allright mr.robertson you can not fathom how terrible of a day I am having right now, and your post has just made me want to literlly beat you over your ****ing head with your own penis.

I have never seen that quote before, and seeing as most of the founders were deist I doubt it. Even if he did say it, the great thing about the constituion is it does not say that. Religon has done nothing constructive for this country. Lets see some of the things it has done however

1.Condoned Slavery

2.Was the Reason for Devine Mandate (which in turn caused the murder of the indians)

3.Against Civil Rights

4.Codones every war we fight

5.Think Socail Darwanism is a good thing...

 

[Magikarp]

TheGardian: Yes, I believe our constitution is based on the bible, otherwise, why would John Q. Adams say, ."our constitution was made for a moral and religious people it is wholly inadequate to govern any other"?

LoL.. just because John Q Adams said that our constitution is made for a moral and religious people doenst mean he was specifically referring to the Bible. Based on your ideology, he could have been talking about the Torah, for all we know.

Im sorry that Forgy Worgy is having a bad day .

 

[Gedrin]

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God (unless I'm terribly mistaken), so you can't really say what religion it was based on.

Technically no. Jews don't believe in Jesus. Christians believe in the holy trinity the Father the SON and the Holy Spirit. This is not quite the same thing.
God although a huge part of these religios is not all there is to them. There are some very real differences, a good example of which is heaven and hell.

You can also verify the religions of the founding fathers, and the religious majority at the time to prove what they meant when they said god.

Please, stay out of giving other religions an equal standing. We should stick to the Parent religion of our constitution.

So we should teach that one religion is superior in an institution that is secular? Hmm wasn’t there some document that forbade that kind of stuff? Separation of church and state violates what document?

And now that I am done with the rhetorical questions. Our founding fathers were Christians. They knew full well of the problems of religious persecution, that is why our constitution made our government secular. That is why our country got off the ground and became the successful nation that it is. We should allow for other religious groups teach of their religion if Christianity can preach its religion.

I am alright with adding options for students to take religion based classes, but they should never be required.

 

[TheGardian]

"If you attack the bible, you attack Christ, if you attack Christ, you attack the roots of our nation." That's not a refrence tothe Torah, and the Muslims don't view Christ as that important, but I may be wrong. But I do know that none of the founders were Muslim or Jewish (in belief) and I know the majority of what they quoted, (back then you had to have evidence to back up whatever you said, hennce, why I quote things) are directly from the Bible or from someone who studied it. And I do Know that Ben Franklin, who was not the most religious man there, said, "If a sparrow can not fall without his notice, can a nation rise without his aid?" When he called the founders to prayer.

So we should teach that one religion is superior in an institution that is secular? Hmm wasn?t there some document that forbade that kind of stuff? Separation of church and state violates what document?

Show me the amedment that said separation of Church and state, one supreme court descision warned that if people did not stop saying that phrase, people would think it was part of the constitution, obviously, the warning should have been taken more seriously.

 

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Jews don't believe in Jesus.

They do believe in Jesus but as a prophet not the son of God. I know what you mean but it's just for some of the less uninformed.

That's not a refrence tothe Torah,

He was referring to that specific quote, ignoring the fact that America was a Christian country. I don't really know that much about the constitution (I'm not no Yank) but I think there is something about the separation of church and state.

 

[cxoli]

Technically no. Jews don't believe in Jesus. Christians believe in the holy trinity the Father the SON and the Holy Spirit. This is not quite the same thing.

I know it's not the same thing. I was referring only to God, not to Jesus. What I was saying is that when we say "one nation under God," it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be the Christian God.

They do believe in Jesus but as a prophet not the son of God. I know what you mean but it's just for some of the less uninformed.

Same with Muslims. Neither believe Jesus to be the Messiah, but both think of Him as a prophet.

I don't think it really matters what religion you teach in a school, as long as it's optional.

 

[OMGLOLWTFPWN]

Wow bump. I really don't see how people can have a problem with this. They aren't forcing anything on anyone, you don't have to take it. I don't know much about American history or politics, but I know it says
In God we trust on the money, and something about God in the pledge because I heard about some kids complaining about not saying it because they are "atheist".

 

[Forged]

Show me the amedment that said separation of Church and state, one supreme court descision warned that if people did not stop saying that phrase, people would think it was part of the constitution, obviously, the warning should have been taken more seriously.

Are you retarted? Have you ever read the Bill of Rights? That is the first ten amendments added to the constituion by the Anti-Federalist such as Jefferson and the like.

Amendment 1 states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

This can be found on the whitehouse website I am sure but I didn't fill like looking around on it so I searched on google and it came up with http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.billofrights.html

if you need a source that is off the law department site at Cornell College's website/

 

[Tempest Storm]

Originally posted by TheGardian
Show me the amedment that said separation of Church and state, one supreme court descision warned that if people did not stop saying that phrase, people would think it was part of the constitution, obviously, the warning should have been taken more seriously.

The 1st Admendment doesn't say that exact phrase, but it is worded in such a way that it has to erect a wall between Church and State. That interpretation is further confirmed by Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Babtist Church, in which he used that exact phrase.

This is not a Christian nation, never was a Christian nation, and hopefully, never will be a Christian nation. None of our laws are either Christian in nature or origin. Some of our laws even contradict Christianity.

Our government, and our Constitution is a secular one.

 

[CelestialBadger]

Most of you missed the fundamental point that the Bible would be taught from a literative and historical standpoint. You ignore this and instead go on about how you shouldn't have to learn about made-up characters in school. Good call. The supreme court just banned the entire high-school English reading list. ****ing made-up characters.

 

[TheGardian]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It says, they will make no law regarding the establishment of religion, (AKA denomination) and that is anything but "a wall of separation", Finally, Congress didn't make a law about Religion, Christianity was already established.

The Pledge: I pledge alligence to the flag of the United Sates Of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, UNDER GOD indivisible with liberty and justice for all. That means we have liberty and justice under God, and no one will break us up, under God. It is quite plain, the pledge is meant to remind us where the nation orginated: people wanting to be CHRISTIANS without the Catholic church persecuting them.

And how do you explain the 1811 court dissiscion that linked the Nation directly with Christ, and I'm pretty sure there were no Muslims on the supreeme court back then.

 

[Forged]

congrads you justlearned the first amendment.

 

[cxoli]

The Pledge: I pledge alligence to the flag of the United Sates Of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, UNDER GOD indivisible with liberty and justice for all. That means we have liberty and justice under God, and no one will break us up, under God. It is quite plain, the pledge is meant to remind us where the nation orginated: people wanting to be CHRISTIANS without the Catholic church persecuting them.

It never says it's the CHRISTIAN God. Like I said before, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God. The pledge doesn't specify a God from a certain religion.

Why does it matter if there are Christian elements in the Constitution/pledge...?

 

[jackalopes]

I can see why people care, I mean I'm christian and if they had something in the pledge about something specificly supporting another religion the I wouldnt be to happy either. BUT, like cxoli said, its not directly refering to the christians God.


One interesting fact:
Public schools where acually made to teach children about God. Of course it taught other stuff too ( so it wasnt just like a church thing). I belive this was done by the pilgrims. (i think)

I read this somewhere correct me if im wrong because I read it along time ago.

 

[Tempest Storm]

Originally posted by TheGardian
It says, they will make no law regarding the establishment of religion, (AKA denomination) and that is anything but "a wall of separation", Finally, Congress didn't make a law about Religion, Christianity was already established.

You have no idea what the hell you're talking about do you? Religion = religion. Not denomonation. Go look it up. And there is no documented proof that when Jefferson wrote religion, h was talking about only Christian denoms.

And the "establish" part means that the government will not establish any religion above another.

For someone who professes to be the "Gaurdian of the Constitution", you're extremely ignorant of it.

Allright, you wanna play dumb, here's the letter the the Danbury Baptists Jefferson wrote regarding the 1st Admendment.

Gentlemen

The affectionate sentiments of esteem & approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful & zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, and in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more & more pleasing.

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state. [Congress thus inhibited from acts respecting religion, and the Executive authorised only to execute their acts, I have refrained from presenting even occasional performances of devotion presented indeed legally where an Executive is the legal head of a national church, but subject here, as religious exercises only to the voluntary regulations and discipline of each respective sect.] Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

(signed) Thomas Jefferson
Jan.1.1802.

And seeing as how Jefferson pretty much wrote the 1st Admendment, I think he would know better than anyone what it's purpose was.

The Pledge: I pledge alligence to the flag of the United Sates Of America, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, UNDER GOD indivisible with liberty and justice for all. That means we have liberty and justice under God, and no one will break us up, under God. It is quite plain, the pledge is meant to remind us where the nation orginated: people wanting to be CHRISTIANS without the Catholic church persecuting them.

Well, first off, that's not how the pledge was originally written. The "Under God" part was added in '54 to battl the "godless" commies (USSR). Go read a history book sometime.

And how do you explain the 1811 court dissiscion that linked the Nation directly with Christ, and I'm pretty sure there were no Muslims on the supreeme court back then.

What 1811 decision?

 

[Forged]

Spike he is "The Gaurd of the const."

 

[CelestialBadger]

What does any of this debate about seperation of church and state have to do with a course on the Bible as a work of literature?