Mel Gibson: The Passion of the Christ

bamthedoc

King Endymion
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
4,292
Reaction score
1
Location
North Carolina, USA
Website
www.fanfiction.net
The Passion of the Christ, as I'm assure many of you know, is being heralded as on of the most contreversial movies of, at least, the last decade. Mel Gibson directed it, and it has been stated that he is putting his "Hunk of Hollywood; Action Hero" career on the line.

Mel Gibson has stated that he doesn't really care about either. Staring in such movies as Die Hard and Die Hard with Avengeance, he admited, drove him to drugs and, even, disregarding his own family. He has told many people, and especially recently, that his very Christian wife stood by him as any Christian wife should. She stood with him, even in the worst of times. Mel Gibson admits that that, and the Love of Christ, saved him from he destructive habits. His own words, so it is indisputable.

However, his recent directing job has taken criticism from, just about, everyone.

Christian: too violent
Jew: repeat, anti-semetic
Aethiest: uh? it's a historically accurate film of one of religions most prominent figures...what's not to complain about?

I'd go on, but it really gets pointless in the end. What Mel Gibson has said to all of this is quite interesting. When asked about the violence, he said that he was trying his best to accurately depict the last 12 hours of Christ's life. He said, "If it's too violent, you don't have to see it. If you go and think it's too violent, I won't be offended if you leave."

I'd answer the "anti-semetic" question with this. Christians observe an "Ash Wednesday" during Lent. In this ceremony, we prepare for "Good Friday". We are given nails, and we are read the events leading up to that day. Everybody who liked Christ in any way, form, shape, or fashion are starting to be turned against Christ. This is GOD's doing. I was taught that I was one of those who nailed Christ's hands and feet to the cross. It was my sins and my hatred of those sins that drove Christ to his death. It was also my own hand, as well as millions of others, who put those nails, the throrn of crowns, and the spear into Him.

I am going to see this movie. I also would like to discuss it here. It will be released next Wednesday (not today). I don't know when I'll see it, but I will. I wouldn't recommend the weak of constitution to see it as it is quite bloody, violent, and, possibly, gorey.

Later! I'm out!
~~BAM the DOC
 

ST

Premium Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2003
Messages
2,579
Reaction score
8
Location
Phoenix, Arizona
Sound cool.I'll make sure I see it too.And what exactly is your question?
 

Lights

Member!
Joined
Nov 12, 2003
Messages
898
Reaction score
1
Location
Beyond Religion and Science
Website
Visit site
I will definanlty see it.


I have heard and read about it for months and I think it will be an incredible and powerful movie. The gore is nothing more than real-life, how it really was. Sad, but true. Its going to be powerful, very powerful.
 

Gedrin

Member!
Joined
Sep 18, 2003
Messages
516
Reaction score
0
Location
College
Website
Visit site
A few nits to pick.

Mel Gibson was in the lethal weapon series, but never appeared in the die hard series to my knowledge.

You say the movie is accurate, and imply that you have not seen it by saying you are going to see it. So the question is how could you possibly know this? Aside from the fact that this all happened more than 2000 years ago.

Though I have not seen it either I am inclined to believe that there have been liberties taken with the story. Classically stories have sex and violence added to make them more entertaining for the average person, you know, idiots.

This is not to say that I have a closed mind on the subject, I am just cautious about this sort of thing. Though it will be a while because I have too much to do perpetually. Though I suppose if college was easy then everyone would have a degree.
 

bamthedoc

King Endymion
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
4,292
Reaction score
1
Location
North Carolina, USA
Website
www.fanfiction.net
>_<+ I knew I should have been more careful about posting movies he's been in. That's my bad, as I keep forgetting certain things like that. Me and my sillyness with names, overall. I'll say sorry here, again.

As for the "accuracy" thing, I'm taking that from people who have both seen it and read the Bible in it's entirety.
FYI: Mel Gibson got permission from the Pope and various Church leaders (including his own) before doing this. The Church Leaders, however, were more in the form of "seeking advice" and such.

I don't know about liberties because, well, "sex" wouldn't fit into it. It also doens't have nudity in it, that I know of. Though, I have heard that the Bible wasn't fully, or properly, translated during points when Christ was tortured. He was stripped naked in an attempt to cause Him further pain -- mental and spiritual, in that case.
 

dust601

Member!
Joined
Jul 30, 2003
Messages
2,084
Reaction score
0
Location
Falls Of Rough
Website
Visit site
1. i fail to see why fiction needs to be acurate :)
2. the movies going to feed off of this contraversy, mel gibson will gladly welcome it, the more contraversy the more viewers the more people go the more he looks like a briallant director, thats why he makes all these comments about i don't care if you like it or not, his approach is similar to eminems over the years.
 

Nuts

Member!
Joined
Jun 23, 2003
Messages
109
Reaction score
0
Website
Visit site
Originally posted by bamthedoc
I knew I should have been more careful about posting movies he's been in. That's my bad, as I keep forgetting certain things like that. Me and my sillyness with names, overall. I'll say sorry here, again.
This places your credibility into question. If you can't match a movie star with a movie, how can we trust that your story is accurate?

FYI: Mel Gibson got permission from the Pope
That's a complete and total fallacy. He had no permission, but instead had a positive review from the Vatican that was later revoked. There was no permission involved, period.
 

bamthedoc

King Endymion
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
4,292
Reaction score
1
Location
North Carolina, USA
Website
www.fanfiction.net
From what I've heard, he talked to the Pope to get permission, but it could have been something "lesser" like a "thumbs-up". As per putting my credibility into question, you're going to say that just because I happen to be really, really bad with names? I may not be able to always match up a name of an actor to a movie, but that's not, really, much.
 

Nuts

Member!
Joined
Jun 23, 2003
Messages
109
Reaction score
0
Website
Visit site
You're right, the fact that you erroneously claimed that the pope pre-approved the movie and the fact that you can't tell Mel Gibson from Bruce Willis has absolutely nothing to do with your credibility. From now on I'll be certain to consider your posts as being more factual than assumptive in nature.

That was sarcasm in the event that you couldn't tell.
 

Steven22

Member!
Joined
Jul 29, 2003
Messages
466
Reaction score
0
Location
Miami
All I heard was that the Pope gave the thumbs up. Now what exactly is that supposed to mean?
And I never heard that the Pope's decision was revoked. When was this?

I'm definatly going to watching this movie. As I heard its quite well done and Mel has added an element or two to the story as he would like to see it. I heard that the devil appears, but its not like you would think. He is not a character in the movie plot or anything, you just see him/her/it lurking around and stuff. Very interesting and by the reactions during the pre-screening here in Miami, its some powerful stuff.
 
Joined
Jan 15, 2004
Messages
187
Reaction score
0
im pretty sure most of you dont know this and will be surprised that its so accurate, that its about 90% latin and 10% something else(cant remember the name of the peoples) no subtitles either.

Jesus Christ's death happend wether you believe it or not, and this movie is attempting to portray what life between his arrest and hanging on the christ was. Jesus was massivley tortured, publically more or less. Im guessing the movie will end with Jesus' death, but if not, it may go on to the events after his death and possibly into the death of other disiples(sp?)

My view on this movie overall is that i will see it because i am a die hard christian and i believe this movie will bring the reality of his suffering.
 

amrtin77

BattleForums Senior Member
Joined
Nov 21, 2002
Messages
2,750
Reaction score
0
Location
United States
Website
Visit site
i think im going to see ti. it sounds interesting even as an atheist.. i wat watching a debate over this movie on the news about people thinking it would cause violence towards jews or something.......
 

bamthedoc

King Endymion
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
4,292
Reaction score
1
Location
North Carolina, USA
Website
www.fanfiction.net
I don't see how it would, in reality. The truth is that it wasn't only Jews or Hebrews who killed Christ, it was everyone, whether you are Christian or not. As Mel Gibson said, Christ died for every man, woman, and child of every creed, nation, and culture. I also stated that, in a Christian "ceremony" I take part in for Good Friday, we will, symbolically, hammer a nail into a cross to show that, not only then, but we, now, "kill" Christ so that he may come back for us to save us.

In truth, the violence is symbolic of, simply, how much Christ loved everyone, period and without hesitation. If some one sees hatred towards Jews due to their participation, they are also showing hatred toward GOD, Christ, and themselves.
 

Nuts

Member!
Joined
Jun 23, 2003
Messages
109
Reaction score
0
Website
Visit site
Originally posted by LawrenceOfArabia
that its about 90% latin and 10% something else
Aramaic

Im guessing the movie will end with Jesus' death, but if not, it may go on to the events after his death and possibly into the death of other disiples(sp?)
According to Gibson, the movie does show a short amount of the resurrection.

by Steven22
All I heard was that the Pope gave the thumbs up. Now what exactly is that supposed to mean?
And I never heard that the Pope's decision was revoked. When was this?
http://in.news.yahoo.com/040121/139/2b1g0.html

It's rather pathetic actually. I imagine the Pope did originally give his approval, only to realize later that an opinion of this nature might cause turmoil in and around the church.


Looks to be an excellent movie in all regards, even for athiests like myself.
 

Miss

Member!
Joined
Jun 22, 2003
Messages
1,978
Reaction score
0
Just great.. something more we need. Mel Gibson in a new Jesus Christ film. It is not wrong or anything but to voice my opinion I think it is bad. The fact is there is no religion in the first place, but of a place to run from realility and to have people feel better about themselves as someone is watching overthem. But again I can't proof it nor can you proof there is. I'm just stating my opinion. So I would call this as another Fantasy movie. Unreal.
 

Nuts

Member!
Joined
Jun 23, 2003
Messages
109
Reaction score
0
Website
Visit site
You sound angry BA. I was once an angry atheist, until I realized that religion is necessary to some people, it's a form of security. To try and remove their security is like stealing their wife. Actually, you might have an easier time stealing someone's wife before you can debunk their faith.

My advice, if you wish to listen. Just absorb all of the rhetoric, and pay attention to only the factual portions, let the remaining bunk fall by the wayside.
 

Miss

Member!
Joined
Jun 22, 2003
Messages
1,978
Reaction score
0
I am not angry. I am tired. Tired of this that rages on about religion. But yet I can't be because I can't proove that there is no religion. And I do not put any other religion down I respect and understand that. And actually find it fascinating to learn more about different beliefs and cultures.
 

Lights

Member!
Joined
Nov 12, 2003
Messages
898
Reaction score
1
Location
Beyond Religion and Science
Website
Visit site
Originally posted by BrokenArrow
The fact is there is no religion in the first place
How can you say this, then go on to say you cant prove it?
You are contradicting yourself a bit here, please think your posts through or at least proof-read them. :(
 

Miss

Member!
Joined
Jun 22, 2003
Messages
1,978
Reaction score
0
Lights doesn't remember me :p

I meant there is no religion in the first place (I was clearly stating along that this is my theory) read closer next time, ha.
 

bamthedoc

King Endymion
Joined
Oct 2, 2002
Messages
4,292
Reaction score
1
Location
North Carolina, USA
Website
www.fanfiction.net
You should keep in mind that most people believe that there not only is religion but believe in a specific one ;) The statement that there "is no religion" not only cannot be proven, but it is completely false. Why? Religion has existed since before recorded history. The oldest of which is Hebrew (yes, it is religion, language, and culture) which had split into Jew and Samarian and is now just Jew.

That's mainly FYI...
 
Top