Democratic Candidates (Arcane Ver.)

[Lights]

I wanted a thread where I could really share my views and not be shut out by the incredible number of buffoons who hang out in Chit-Chat.


So, who do you think should win, not who will, but who do you think should? If your a Republican (like me) post who you dislike the least and why.

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Since there are only two real players left, John and John, now that Dean is out, the answer to me is a no-brainer. John Edwards.


Its not that I like him all that much or even know that much about him, but what I do know about Kerry is sickening. Everything I hear about him and learn about him is worse and worse.

He uses his Vietnam Vets like puppets, always falling back on them at times of need. He even has them standing behind him during his speaches like prizes. Not only that, but he changes his political stance constantly, always going with what the majority of the people are going with. He has no morals or integrity, at least none that I have seen.

He attacks Bush for going to the National Guard (Which is more than most men can say), but fails to tell that Bush did inquire about going overseas, but couldnt. He had too few hours and his plane was antiquated. All in all, his campaign is negative, which I do not like. At his rallies, he says nothing about the good he will do, but only the bad that we have. We dont want a man like that in charge of our country.

 

[Forged]

actually most people are attacking bush for allegedlly not being in the national gaurd. And even if he was it was still an imoral thing to do, use your daddies money to get you in an elite much safer group to make sure you are not drafted to fight in a ajungle.

anyways I would love to see kunich win as he is the man.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by Forged
actually most people are attacking bush for allegedlly not being in the national gaurd. And even if he was it was still an imoral thing to do, use your daddies money to get you in an elite much safer group to make sure you are not drafted to fight in a ajungle.

That's an unfounded jump. Please provide evidence for this accusation.

 

[Forged]

what that he used his dads money to jump ahead of the more qualified canadiates or the one about him not actually being in the national gaurd.

The 2nd acusation stems from his commanding officers saying he was never in alabama, and (Untill recentlly when someone managed to rember him #cough#Threat#cough# ) there were no records to be found.

as to the former that is common knowledge.

 

[Nuts]

Firstly, money had nothing to do with his admittance to the national guard. If anything, political influence was used as GWB's father was a Congressman at the time. And if you attempt to tell me that this wasn't commonplace during the era, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Secondly, the rumor of his AWOL has been debunked. Dental records, service records, what else do you require? Perhaps a daily photographic journal?

 

[Forged]

I think that would be nice, I personally don't think it would be hard for the commander and cheif to get hold of fake records...

If anything, political influence was used as GWB's father was a Congressman

That doesnt make it any beter....

 

[shutupandgoaway]

I'd agree with forged that Kucinich is, in fact, the man and i sincerely wish he had a chance. However, the media never reports on him, and his campaign is extremely underfunded because his views are far too liberal for corporate America to sponsor. He is the total opposite of Bush; i see no reason why so few democrats who claim to hate Bush do not stand firmly behind him.

 

[Nuts]

Lieberman was the best democrat on record, but the press screwed him as well.

 

[Forged]

Lieberman I haven't really seen anythng about leiberman but I heard Bob Dole compliment him on the daily show and that is grounds for me not to like him.

 

[shutupandgoaway]

Lieberman was a moderate, if not a republican. He had basically the same political stance as Dubya himself, screwing himself over.

 

[Nuts]

Lieberman is a fiscal liberal, yet conservative on foreign policy. Like I said, for a democrat, he wasn't all bad.

And Forged, I should point out that your avatar is incorrect. Nazi's were nationalistic, not patriotic. Once again, a dictionary could come in handy there.

 

[Tempest Storm]

I think that would be nice, I personally don't think it would be hard for the commander and cheif to get hold of fake records...

Perhaps not, but what proof do you have that they are fake?

I like Liberman the best. Good on defence, good on social issues.

But, since he's out, I guess I'ld go with dwards, simply because I think Kerry is a dickweed. So, Edwards it is, until a third party canidate comes out.

 

[Forged]

And Forged, I should point out that your avatar is incorrect. Nazi's were nationalistic, not patriotic. Once again, a dictionary could come in handy there

Nationalism is overzelaous patriotism.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by Forged
Nationalism is overzelaous patriotism.

Yes. Which is exactly why your avatar is incorrect.

Example: Obesity is caused by overeating, but that doesn't mean everyone who eats is obese.

 

[shutupandgoaway]

Nationalism is patriotism, but patriotism is not nationalism. Patriotism creates nationalism, thus the nazis were patriotic at the start as they could not have started out as crazed nationalists. If they had lost their patriotism, they would have lost the source of their nationalism, and thus the source of their zealousness. They did not lose their zealousness, so they could not have lost their nationalism.

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by shutupandgoaway
Nationalism is patriotism, but patriotism is not nationalism. Patriotism creates nationalism, thus the nazis were patriotic at the start as they could not have started out as crazed nationalists. If they had lost their patriotism, they would have lost the source of their nationalism, and thus the source of their zealousness. They did not lose their zealousness, so they could not have lost their nationalism.

That almost made sense!

But seriously, that's like saying that Communists had to be Socialists first, and therefore they are still socialists at heart. Simply because a logical step existed doesn't mean that the label can still be applied.

 

[amrtin77]

i think hes just making a point with his avatar that patriotism can be dangerous

 

[Nuts]

Originally posted by amrtin77
i think hes just making a point with his avatar that patriotism can be dangerous

I disagree. Patriotism isn't dangerous, nationialism is. He's attempting to corrupt the meaning of the word to demonize the Bush and many other self proclaimed patriots. It's little jabs like these that make me wonder about the sanity of our country.

 

[shutupandgoaway]

I know that patriotism isn't dangerous. Neither is marijuana. But, many marijuana users go on to use more potent substances. The same is true of patriotism. Not all patriotism is bad, but it must be recognized when exceeding what it should be.

 

[Steven22]

Take it to a pm you two.
And Nuts... Nuts? What are you doing here?

I don't like any candidates left, but I believe Kerry is going to take it. In a final showdown, Edwards won't have what it takes to beat Kerry. But as I said, I don't like either.

Edit: What ever happened to Ross Perot? I liked him. Or rather to make fun of him.