Ok i decided to start the ud thread. Hu vs UD is so shitty matchup. I dont remember seeing a win hu vs ud without expo since a year ago. I play a lot, ive played vs many good ud players, yet, i lose from lower skilled. It isn't only me. But human without expo can do nothing. The cases when no expo are: when you micro enough, you still lose, the ud always wins, you make a long game, you might kill some dests and then he gets another. You might say he's gg cause you made him lose a lot of ghouls and dests, then he makes them again and gg. I havent seen anything like that vs other race. The thing that makes us win is expo and many towers. Ive tried 5 a base, too few towers. And there is one thing that we lose even with an expo- you slower yourself with expo and towers, he gets fast dests and before you have eniugh fm he comes, you have footmen and just have the 1st knight, few fm, he kills them then you cant kill the dests, gg. Or another thing, you have enough fm ,start chasing the dests, but even with micro and sometimes EVEN with miliria to help, ghouls own a knight with foots and some militia. Also hit&run, ghouls with frenzy kill your workers no matter how you move them and bye he tps . There might be a stupid case where you cant let him mass wyrms, you shiudlnt let him do so. Now let's talk about the less skilled abuses: 1) I used to have once, but havent been 'tested' with much better skill than 1.5 years ago, anyway 2 rax ghouls, FL1st and mass skele. 2) mass fiends with CL and mass summon, he enters your base and if you have less foots and BTW what can foots do vs fiends and scarabs ? We're talking about tier1 to tier 2. Like you need towers. 3) newbish and this is typical for gw map to make fiends and wyrms. Thats newbish and is used by naps so this is as i said - you cant let him do this. 4) mass finds, dests, mass possess when you cant use griff because of web, knights get possessed. Im blamed by some good players why do i let him make master training, well - when the ud base cannot be finished early like vs 3 races, if you are forced to retreat, it happens that they make. 5)fiends and aboms is funny and thats a matter of how you let him do. But really, what a humiliation to lose from microless noobs who only abuse one of these and turn the game. Imagine someone losing many fiends, abom, then with 3-4 banshees before you kill them, he gets knights, becomes greater food and gg. I have an idea - possess must be dispelled or to be made so. This is so imba... Ok this is smth i havent faced lately but who knows. These are abuses. When you expo, you gotta make mass towers and eventually if he doesnt have expo and you lead in resources you can kill ud. ud with expo > hu with expo, always mass expands as in lt thats the way. But my winning to losing ratio vs ud is prolly 1:7 You can ignore the newbish 1-5) ways of winning, for me it is more like losing without expo, i said how, losing with expo when he gets dests and i dont have enough fm, he's in the base he kills all newly created fm-s thats how, and if i had like 7 towers in the base that might win it while i make fms somewhere away.