Idealize Bill Gates, not Steve Jobs

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  1. CrazyKooK

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    In the weeks following Steve Jobs death it was pleasant at first to recognize some great design and business practices of a visionary man. But it seems a lot of the world was not just appreciating a successful visionary but idealizing a man. I just recently read an article about the differences between two very powerful men. The story from Bloomberg is below:

     
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    Apple is a fashion company, that knows how to market it's subpar products to mainstream audiences. Microsoft offers the best mainstream products, amazing developer tools and a high quality platforms for tech development and growth. It does so by squashing out smaller companies, and strongarming it's way into every area it can.

    Steve jobs was a dickhead, even his biography confirms this. Bill Gates bought QDOS from someone else and retooled it as MSDOS, launching an entire platform on someone else's work.

    Dennis ritchie died a week after Steve jobs. He died alone, not a millionaire, and no news coverage and press. In 1972 he designed and wrote the C programming language. C was designed as a multifunctional and multiplatform programming language to write the Unix operating system. In essences, every computer, or computer like device is a direct results of the contributions Dennis Ritchie made to the world of computing. Windows and Linux were written in C. OSX, and all the modible apple products were written in a C derivative. All modern programming languages were either written in, or derived from the functionality of C. Linux would not exist without the Unix OS paradigm and now Linux is the most robust OS in existence, and helps run Google, Amazon, the U.S. Department of defence, and thousands of other websites. If you want to idealize someone, pick the right person. The real architect of the tech world.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...c-dies-at-70/2011/10/13/gIQAXsVXiL_story.html
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Ritchie
    RIP sir
     
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    I completely agree with both of these posts. Bill Gates has been my idol since I was a young child; not Steve Jobs.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone and am currently texting on it, but I've just always liked Gates more.
     
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    i almost didn't read it because you said idealize instead of idolize and it made me angry
     
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    well said. There are a lot of people you could say are more selfless but comparing two mean of similar characteristics was the thought. Thanks for making me aware of Dennis Ritchie. I'm not a computer programmer but I really hope to be able to revolutionize an industry in my lifetime.


    Octopor: ... oops
     
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    I'm mixed.

    Bill Gates has done a lot of Philanthropy.. which is great.. but I question how much of it is out of genuine care rather than PR. That said, in the end it doesn't matter -- his foundation has given millions of dollars to much needed causes, and regardless of anything speculative.. it's been nothing but a benefit to the world. Jobs on the other hand, from what I've heard.. didn't do a whole lot that we know of. However, he could have also donated without making it public (not everyone needs the recognition)..so we may never honestly know for sure. There's no proof of it..but I'm just sayin. Personally, I don't believe anyone is obligated to give to charity anyway...so for me it isn't a huge issue. It's a nice thing to do..and great.. but you earn what you earn and you decide how you spend it.

    As for Apple vs Microsoft.. Microsoft in my view is the Walmart of the computing industry. They're a giant organization and incredibly powerful..yet instead of using this power to better their products and work with other companies / they try to forcefully annihilate everyone else *in Microsoft's case it's through legal action* (see the hundreds of petty lawsuits they've filed against possible competitors.. even tiny ones like linux..which doesn't even share 2% of the desktop user market).

    Anyway..I think I just rambled (drinking wine)..but as far as I see it..both have strengths and weaknesses. I prefer apple.. and honestly, I've just never been a fan of gates. As for as idolizing goes, though, I idolize no one.
     
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    You make some good points.

    I don't think Bill Gates philanthropy has anything to do with PR (or at least it is a second thought). This is because the families high involvement on it rather than a third party, and even more so the fact that Billions of dollars have been donated (not millions), the Return on Investment for PR would not make sense at that level. Also, the foundation would focus on Microsoft, not Bill Gates, and Microsoft would attempt to bring more awareness to their contributions.

    I do always think it is ironic that highly successful businessmen will be ruthless and put out inept products to save costs but then be philanthropic to others. I think it is a separation from the idea that customer service and high product quality doesn't bring the sense of individual good will that donating that squandered money does
     
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    Dude, every tech company on the planet has at least one or two lawsuits going on against at least one or two other companies. That isn't Microsoft, that's everyone. Hell, Bethesda is suing a company for a game called "scrolls" because it is to much like "the elder scrolls". It is outrageous.
     
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    A company like Microsoft is actually required to make those lawsuits for its own survival. Microsoft is formed almost 100% on intellectual property (meaning, no physical product). If they didn't file a billion patents (which I find sometimes excessive, preventing entry of any competitors) and didn't sue in the case of infringement, they would lose the basis in which their product competes.

    I do acknowledge that a lot of suits can be Bull****, I heard about the Scrolls thing before and think it is ridiculous. But there is another case where Team Fortress 2 was almost copied exactly (I mean artistic style, gameplay, EVERYTHING)... the game looked almost identical, but they got away with it because they are based in China. Yes, it is a tangent, just wanted to point it out
     
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    A company like Microsoft is actually required to make those lawsuits for its own survival. Microsoft is formed almost 100% on intellectual property (meaning, no physical product). If they didn't file a billion patents (which I find sometimes excessive, preventing entry of any competitors) and didn't sue in the case of infringement, they would lose the basis in which their product competes.

    I do acknowledge that a lot of suits can be Bull****, I heard about the Scrolls thing before and think it is ridiculous. But there is another case where Team Fortress 2 was almost copied exactly (I mean artistic style, gameplay, EVERYTHING)... the game looked almost identical, but they got away with it because they are based in China. Yes, it is a tangent, just wanted to point it out
     
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    I agree too. I wish Microsoft would put more effort into making a good, user-friendly product (which they have, but not to Apple's level yet). Apple's products are so user friendly that they often lack customization (case in point, my iPhone). At least Microsoft isn't at vB's ridiculous level of non-user friendly administration.
    Yeah I do think that they would try and draw more attention to MS rather than Gates, however, the two names are pretty much synonymous.
     
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    Lol, one or two.