Theroy
BattleForums Senior Member
I've been running series of tests. So far me and andrew have finsished one. And me and NGB have finished 2 lets keep doing this. Any one else want to help test. Just get a friend one go NE one go Undead the Undead mass gargs and Gouls and attack the NE and tell me if he can counter it KNOWING what he's doing I suck at undead and these two are pretty decent NE players I know andrew player NE before he switched to Undead results. I'm going to prove once and for all with out an argument that UD out does NE insanley do to imbalance.
Blizzard claims that UD is most powerful race They also say that NightElf statisticaly out does Undead but that's not the way highlevel games are turning out.
Forums
"The panda might be a good turning point."
"Warden with fok and fast expo"
"Alt QQQ Reveals map"
All these counters are based on luck.
Counters
Archers hunts probably the fastest thing you can do. The whole point of gouls is to take out that shit. He will go staight to thoes archers and dryads skipping over the hunts yeah it's alot of damage but with thoes statues behind they heal quite fast and your losses are minimum finally you take out the low hp archers and the drayds with focus fire from gargs they take extra dmg. you'll notcie you'll have like 3 gouls left they will have like 5 hunts left but you will have insane level DK and lich and the nova + coil with the statue the hunts don't live long.
Hypo Every one seems to think this is a good counter this shit dosen't work. It takes second building well they get to pump there gargs out of there main building so you need to make two Wind's. So now add the cost of the wisps time to make the wisps the harassing that's been done to your wisps. The time of your buildings the price of your hypo. He can have 4 gargs harassing your base before you get to hypo by the time you have 2 hypo he can have 6 gargs and like 12 gouls and 3 statues. h/f. Even if you do manage to match him in it. It's not going to work because his aura is like a ****ing healing ward. And with his statues in there it's just not going to die and there attack rate is like 3 attacks of 80 dmg before you get one in. Stack that with your hypo's frozen by nova. Or with the vamp on them. hmm.
Rush you ever try to rush a teching undead with his "workers" chopping wood and frost towers trust me it dosen't work.
Asking High level players
Mr.Cygnus
In an audio some one asked I can't counter garg goul.
He replies "me and you both brother". Only one I could find.
Testing it.
So far I've got three tests done. Undead being my 3'rd worst and my 2nd best race being horrible It's suprising what you can do.
First game.
Was the standard goul garg strat he knew befor hand I was going to do this couldn't counter. Oppenen Nevergoingback
Second Game
Nevergoingback he wasn't sure what I was going to do this game but again extremely hard to counter and rush was not an option chim only counter imagine doing that with a gay ****ing uncatchable dk?
Third Game
Andrew he knew what I was going to do couldn't counter it.
Fourth Game
Theory being the NightElf and knowing that it was going to be goul garg and trying to counter
player Statistics
Me = I'd say I suck with Undead
Nevergoingback = Fellow NightElf player I'd say he's pretty decent level 20 before this patch helped get two clans in the top 300.
Andrew = I'd say fairly decent NightElf player it was his race before he switched over to Undead.
Theroy= Nightelf player my only race that I'm good at then it's orc which I suck then undead even more sucking at then Human which I can't even do.
Replays
First Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/replays/NGB1.w3g
Second Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/replays/NGB2.w3g
Thrid Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/replays/And1.w3g
Fourth Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/Theroy1.w3g
I'm not going to stop till every one realizes that this shit can't be countered and undead is way to overpowered. Argue this point all you want more tests are comming. =)
Blizzard claims that UD is most powerful race They also say that NightElf statisticaly out does Undead but that's not the way highlevel games are turning out.
Forums
"The panda might be a good turning point."
"Warden with fok and fast expo"
"Alt QQQ Reveals map"
All these counters are based on luck.
Counters
Archers hunts probably the fastest thing you can do. The whole point of gouls is to take out that shit. He will go staight to thoes archers and dryads skipping over the hunts yeah it's alot of damage but with thoes statues behind they heal quite fast and your losses are minimum finally you take out the low hp archers and the drayds with focus fire from gargs they take extra dmg. you'll notcie you'll have like 3 gouls left they will have like 5 hunts left but you will have insane level DK and lich and the nova + coil with the statue the hunts don't live long.
Hypo Every one seems to think this is a good counter this shit dosen't work. It takes second building well they get to pump there gargs out of there main building so you need to make two Wind's. So now add the cost of the wisps time to make the wisps the harassing that's been done to your wisps. The time of your buildings the price of your hypo. He can have 4 gargs harassing your base before you get to hypo by the time you have 2 hypo he can have 6 gargs and like 12 gouls and 3 statues. h/f. Even if you do manage to match him in it. It's not going to work because his aura is like a ****ing healing ward. And with his statues in there it's just not going to die and there attack rate is like 3 attacks of 80 dmg before you get one in. Stack that with your hypo's frozen by nova. Or with the vamp on them. hmm.
Rush you ever try to rush a teching undead with his "workers" chopping wood and frost towers trust me it dosen't work.
Asking High level players
Mr.Cygnus
In an audio some one asked I can't counter garg goul.
He replies "me and you both brother". Only one I could find.
Testing it.
So far I've got three tests done. Undead being my 3'rd worst and my 2nd best race being horrible It's suprising what you can do.
First game.
Was the standard goul garg strat he knew befor hand I was going to do this couldn't counter. Oppenen Nevergoingback
Second Game
Nevergoingback he wasn't sure what I was going to do this game but again extremely hard to counter and rush was not an option chim only counter imagine doing that with a gay ****ing uncatchable dk?
Third Game
Andrew he knew what I was going to do couldn't counter it.
Fourth Game
Theory being the NightElf and knowing that it was going to be goul garg and trying to counter
player Statistics
Me = I'd say I suck with Undead
Nevergoingback = Fellow NightElf player I'd say he's pretty decent level 20 before this patch helped get two clans in the top 300.
Andrew = I'd say fairly decent NightElf player it was his race before he switched over to Undead.
Theroy= Nightelf player my only race that I'm good at then it's orc which I suck then undead even more sucking at then Human which I can't even do.
Replays
First Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/replays/NGB1.w3g
Second Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/replays/NGB2.w3g
Thrid Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/replays/And1.w3g
Fourth Replay
http://www.shadow-tech.org/Theroy1.w3g
I'm not going to stop till every one realizes that this shit can't be countered and undead is way to overpowered. Argue this point all you want more tests are comming. =)
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