Gnome Warrior vs Human Paladin

[Gimmi]

Once I get WOW (soon hopefully) I'd liek to know what you suggest to start with, Gnome warrior or Human Paladin. Or neither. I will not be PVP if that helps.

TIA

[Keletarise]

{Disclaimer for the Masses, intended to show my background and general position This is NOT an insult, so please don't take it that way.}

Speaking as a Level 58 Warrior, with skills split fairly evenly between the Arms and Defense trees. I'm good at playing my character and role, and so have a full dance card. The people I party with, especially spellcasters, often seek me out for return appearances. This is the standard I use to judge my performance, and not "Own-age" or any lack thereof. The opinions you are about to read are MINE and based on MY experience. Other Warriors with different builds may well have very different views and experiences. I would LOVE to hear any well reasoned posts to the contrary. If you do NOT play a Warrior, or have not played a Warrior to at least 40+, then In My Very Humble Opinion you don't have the background to change my mind on these matters. Any and all reasonably worded responses from any class will be given full weight. But if (for example) you are a Rogue who *thinks* (s)he knows what it's like to be a Warrior.......

{end_disclaimer}



PvP??? Forget being a Warrior. Completely. You absolutely want to be a Paladin if you want to be a Melee fighter in PvP. A GOOD player with an Arms/Fury build can win against half-a$$ed players of all classes. An outstanding Warrior cannot regularly win against good players of most classes, and if you're opponent is as good as you are, then the odds are stacked aginst you. Know this.



But you said no PvP, so that makes the choice easier...



If you want to do a lot of damage and watch your dying enemies fall at your feet??


Forget being a Warrior or a Pally - be a Rogue, Mage, Warlock, or a Hunter. Learn to play them as they were intended and your foes will fall.



If you want to be Survivable - Be a Paladin They have the same armor/weaps and effectively 3X the life. Plus some cool buffs.


If you want to be Versatile, or aren't sure what you want to do and want to try lots of techniques and play styles - Be a Druid or Shaman. You can spellcast some, tank some, and buff/heal yourself and others.


If you want to be in demand for the entire game: Be a Priest. Good healers are always in demand. Always.


If you like getting the snot kicked out of yourself so that others can destroy the enemy, and want to be the one that people turn to for high end instances, (when there aren't any Paladins available, ayways) - Be a Warrior. (half joking)

If you take it personally if those around you die when you're still standing - Be a Warrior.

If you want to be the one that protects everyone else - Be a Warrior.


I know I'm making it sound like Warriors suck a whole lot more than they really do. They don't "suck". Not at all. But they are underpowered compared to most other classes in the game, and you end up working quests that are slightly below your level to have the same ease that other classes do when working quests at or slightly above their levels. On the positive side, Warriors are the absolute KINGS of controlling Enemy Hatred during battle. When your mage starts throwing Nukes, or the Priest lets loose with some serious healing love, then it is the WARRIOR who can distract the now VERY ANGRY Mobs away from them. Nobody else in the game does that. And if you learn to do that well, then YOUR dance card will also be VERY full.


In short - Warriors are the best tanks in the game, and are designed to gather attention to themselves and take the beating so that lightly protected damage-dealers can do their jobs. But they aren't big damage dealers and there is a LOT more to being a good warrior than running over to something and whacking away. Paladins are better if you just want to play and not die a lot.

Keletarise

[Gimmi]

thank you, Im still undecided, but it educated me .
okay I decided while typing-Paladin.

[Vic]

but why do people make gnome warriors? they are better for spellcasting

[Ganzu]

Warriors can be a Tank (as in a real life tank witht he powerful attack and high armor def) or a 20188372128487 foot (invinicble) thick wall (Paladin later on with good high def gear)

at level 60 all Warriors(or any class at that) no matter the race have like few points diffrences on some stats. Its not really that big.

Gnome Rogues and Warriors are actually quite good from what I seen around. Gnome warriors look goofy though

[Samsara]

Originally Posted by Vicious101

but why do people make gnome warriors? they are better for spellcasting

Gnome warriors are one of the few classes besides warlocks who can take on Druids.

[dP]

Join the Horde you pheg... and you are not god stop kidding yourself.

[vader474]

Don't EVER be a Gnome Warrior. Their high Int. makes them one of (if not the) best races for spellcasters. I don't know about anyone else, but I've never seen a Gnome Warrior.

[Renzokuken]

Originally Posted by Samsara

Gnome warriors are one of the few classes besides warlocks who can take on Druids.

You have NO idea how easy it is to rape the shit out of a Druid, when you're a Shaman :bugeyes

They wear leather, if they go bear form, chuck your shield/dagger on. Burn them down with windfury and spells until they need to heal. If they rejuvenate, purge. If they are casting healing touch, earth shock (Or stomp if you're Tauren).

Shamans > Druids. I don't think i've ever lost to a Druid once in a duel. The only time it gets hairy is when they use natures swiftness and their highest rank healing touch, then you might be in some trouble.

Go Horde man. They are the underdogs and have the lowest population of 13 year old boys. Horde have it tough, so add to the noise!

Paladins are bs anyway. There, i said it

[t0astedmuffins]

I have one major point that i'd like to say


everyone hates paladins....



i have a 60 paladin and a 60 warrior, and contraer to previous posts i do much better in pvp with warrior. You should go watch some of the warrior grand marshal wow videos and see what im talkin about.. ill post more tomarrow dont have the time now..


btw dont be a gnome warrior.. its idiodic.

[SouLess]

I have a gnome warrior. He's the shittttt

[Renzokuken]

Yeah, he's about as tall as one, no?

[RyanXWing]

Heh there is one class that can do everything but tank... if you're good.

Priests. I've DPSed high than a rogue and healed more than a holy priest in an instance, without any healing spells but vampiric embrace (30% dmg=heal)

Plus as was said before they are always needed... they are just a pain to get started.

[chocofilez]

Originally Posted by Keletarise

{Disclaimer for the Masses, intended to show my background and general position This is NOT an insult, so please don't take it that way.}

Speaking as a Level 58 Warrior, with skills split fairly evenly between the Arms and Defense trees. I'm good at playing my character and role, and so have a full dance card. The people I party with, especially spellcasters, often seek me out for return appearances. This is the standard I use to judge my performance, and not "Own-age" or any lack thereof. The opinions you are about to read are MINE and based on MY experience. Other Warriors with different builds may well have very different views and experiences. I would LOVE to hear any well reasoned posts to the contrary. If you do NOT play a Warrior, or have not played a Warrior to at least 40+, then In My Very Humble Opinion you don't have the background to change my mind on these matters. Any and all reasonably worded responses from any class will be given full weight. But if (for example) you are a Rogue who *thinks* (s)he knows what it's like to be a Warrior.......

{end_disclaimer}



PvP??? Forget being a Warrior. Completely. You absolutely want to be a Paladin if you want to be a Melee fighter in PvP. A GOOD player with an Arms/Fury build can win against half-a$$ed players of all classes. An outstanding Warrior cannot regularly win against good players of most classes, and if you're opponent is as good as you are, then the odds are stacked aginst you. Know this.



But you said no PvP, so that makes the choice easier...



If you want to do a lot of damage and watch your dying enemies fall at your feet??


Forget being a Warrior or a Pally - be a Rogue, Mage, Warlock, or a Hunter. Learn to play them as they were intended and your foes will fall.



If you want to be Survivable - Be a Paladin They have the same armor/weaps and effectively 3X the life. Plus some cool buffs.


If you want to be Versatile, or aren't sure what you want to do and want to try lots of techniques and play styles - Be a Druid or Shaman. You can spellcast some, tank some, and buff/heal yourself and others.


If you want to be in demand for the entire game: Be a Priest. Good healers are always in demand. Always.


If you like getting the snot kicked out of yourself so that others can destroy the enemy, and want to be the one that people turn to for high end instances, (when there aren't any Paladins available, ayways) - Be a Warrior. (half joking)

If you take it personally if those around you die when you're still standing - Be a Warrior.

If you want to be the one that protects everyone else - Be a Warrior.


I know I'm making it sound like Warriors suck a whole lot more than they really do. They don't "suck". Not at all. But they are underpowered compared to most other classes in the game, and you end up working quests that are slightly below your level to have the same ease that other classes do when working quests at or slightly above their levels. On the positive side, Warriors are the absolute KINGS of controlling Enemy Hatred during battle. When your mage starts throwing Nukes, or the Priest lets loose with some serious healing love, then it is the WARRIOR who can distract the now VERY ANGRY Mobs away from them. Nobody else in the game does that. And if you learn to do that well, then YOUR dance card will also be VERY full.


In short - Warriors are the best tanks in the game, and are designed to gather attention to themselves and take the beating so that lightly protected damage-dealers can do their jobs. But they aren't big damage dealers and there is a LOT more to being a good warrior than running over to something and whacking away. Paladins are better if you just want to play and not die a lot.

Keletarise

Good points, but not neccesarily true. Fury Warrriors pwn like theres no tomorrow in PVP if youve got half good gear. They can die pretty fast in mass PVP but if there is a priest willing to follow and heal you will OWN!!! Though Warriors tend not to deal the best damage, they can deal in the same ballpark as rougues and mages. Survivable? Well, they do die alot if they take on more than they can chew, or if their healer sucks etc...but they have the most health and can use the best gear, so its not hard to survive...Versitile?? Yes they are...Maybe mnot like a shaman but they can get 1st aid (not amazing but works well), if you go arms spec, you can easily put on a good shield and tank, and still do decent damage. Not to mention now that changing talents max cost is 25 gold and goes down every month, its not too hard to change from one spec to another.
Lastly, Paladins just arnt as good unless played by a veteran with amazing gear...What i like is their healing, and decent dmging skills, warriors still pwn ,more.
-Rant over...

[trider]

gnome is best only if u re skill othervise no. basicly gnome wariors are a mesure of your own skills as a player. that goes for trolls aswel. so if u think u re goshu roll a gnome, else roll pally it pays of later

[Renzokuken]

Paladins deal zero damage, i don't care if they are Retribution, they still have crap dps. I yawn at them.

[Jason]

Seriously on my shaman when a paladin starts attacking me..I'm able to stay alive fairly easily..it usually takes the paladin forever unless his rogue friend comes and ambushes me..

[dannybahri]

gnomes suck, make night elf warrior:lucifer

[trider]

Originally Posted by dannybahri

gnomes suck, make night elf warrior:lucifer

That is an option BUT like isad gnomes are for goshu not for noob. One thing i forgot to mention is that warriors die at same rate on 1 and on 60 lvl but pally dont. Paly dies on lvl 10-25 like crap unless u play smart but on lvl 60...
man u think its easy to kill him for low dps but many have been wrong about that and many shall yet. IF and i say again IF u kill pally lvl60 1v1 consider yourself very lucky or skilfull (no case both,trust me) cause u probably killed noob and/or not so strong player. of course this doesnt consider priest and shaman cause they too have heal and they are matched up with pally so there it DOES matter dps. But from my exp mostly 1v1 warr-pally pally wins.
MOSTLY. Like i sad there are always noobs but dont relax pally are strong either way....:shit

[trider]

Originally Posted by Renzokuken

Paladins deal zero damage, i don't care if they are Retribution, they still have crap dps. I yawn at them.

khm,khm.... who says Ashkhandi+crusader+SealOfCommand?...
trust me there is some of them waiting u out there... and when u come... :yum
its that simple. And in worst case too.