Raiding: too easy or too hard?

[Leto]

Hey folks,

Long time lurker, got an email from battleforums a few days ago that inspired me to drop by and check this place out again... these days my favorite game is WoW and I'm into mainly the PvE raiding side of it. I'm an officer/raid leader in a raiding guild on Dark Iron (Arphir of <Axis>, alliance side). I'm also working on a Web site at http://www.worldofstrats.com, where my guild and I are trying to create more detailed raid strategies that are better than what you find on the Web today.

I thought I would ask the WoW players here a question... do you guys think raiding is too difficult? Or maybe too easy? o.O I've been raiding for a long time and I think I like the current level of difficulty in the content, but wish it didn't take so long to clear trash, set up encounters, replace players who disconnected etc... just the tedium of managing 25 people I guess can be a drain, but the content itself is great.

We're currently working on Vashj, hope to down her next week. Awesome fight, though a little too luck-based.

Do you guys have any opinions?

[TrongaMonga]

I'm an officer myself in my guild, and I know how much of a pain it is to raid with 25 men, specially when plenty of hem just plainly suck or have to leave early.

Let me put it this way. If you're in a guild with all hardcore players, who know their classes and are commited to find out more content, then raiding is awesome.

But if you're in a semi-casual guild like myself, then it's not so good. We kill trash, give 3 or 4 tries at the boss and don't kill the damn bastards because someone screws up.

Unfortunately, this is happening so because most hardcore players in our guild left a month ago because there just was too much drama (we had two girls and one emo in our officer list, believe me, you just don't want to do that). We're now back on track and finally got our Al'ar first kill, even though it meant the officers had to do lots and lots of work, including me, yes, me with my awesome english, yelling the **** out of my lungs on vent to make sure everyone was on position during the whole fight.

In the end, the feeling of defeating a boss with a semi-casual guild might be even better than the feeling of defeating it with an harcore guild. Except Blizzard keeps nerfing the bosses so casuals can see content so it's pointless to think that way.

And no, I won't leave my guild. Believe me, I thought of that many, many times. But I just love hem

[T3h Sorrow]

i say if you want to see how they do with pulls, i think it is.... BWL? send a few in there for training, i have YET to go into kara, due to my computer being shot still, i need to buy a new one. bastard computer.

i need my crack

[Kao]

BC content is terrible. It gets way too repetitive. Then again, it's fun. Most of the time.

[jd-inflames]

Run me Ilidan, Kao.

[Octopor]

Raidings easy, getting all the right classes/players on for a raid isn't.

[Kao]

Originally Posted by jd-inflames

Run me Ilidan, Kao.

After you do him a few times, he really isn' that bad We 1 shot him last night, 3 raid nights = win.

[Octopor]

Originally Posted by Kao

After you do him a few times, he really isn' that bad We 1 shot him last night, 3 raid nights = win.

I HATE YOU

[jd-inflames]

Originally Posted by Kao

After you do him a few times, he really isn' that bad We 1 shot him last night, 3 raid nights = win.

Well, considering the furthest I've gotten in any guild is Gruul's, and the fact that I don't have time to raid anymore so I'm in an extremely casual guild that raids once or twice a week so the furthest they have progressed is Aran...I don't think I'll be seeing BT ANYTIME soon :P

[Leto]

Originally Posted by Octopor

Raidings easy, getting all the right classes/players on for a raid isn't.

Agree 100% with this. On a night when our guild has 25-27 people online at raid time, we struggle. When we have 35 online and are able to class stack, pick people who have already read up on the encounter, etc. we absolutely blow through content.

I do think that preparation can make all the difference, though. Do a poll of who in your 'casual guild' has actually read a good strategy for the next fight you're facing. If 100% of the people you field for that fight have spent even 10-15 minutes doing some reading, you can save dozens of hours of wipes. This is why my guild is trying to be very rigorous about documenting strats and getting as many people as possible to read them.

If the raiders here would like to check out our strats and use them or offer any feedback, feel free!