Tired

[zeroxuz]

I am sick and tried of people that whine over the BeastMaster.

All can use him so i do not understand i can Use beastmaster when im Humen, NE, UD so i dont undersatnd what all that fuc*k u are all whine about!

Parden my anger but there are to many nabs @ this forum!

[Aragorn7]

You don't understand because you most likely don't play Solo. In Solo he is a serious unbalance. Ask anyone gosu here and they will tell you the same thing, the beastmaster needs a good nerfing.

[Kuro Neko]

=Gosu.

It's true, read some threads about him, the hawk on lvl 3 and bear lvl 3 are insanely powerful, takes the whole army on focus fire to kill the bear fast too.

[Swordancer]

i think they could fix this whole issue by just making the guys cool downs longer... i mean its not like he can afford the constant summoning w/out moonwells anywayz so if you just lower the cooldown (really make it 2x) then it would make its not as much of an issue and more of an actual hero... he could bring 1 bear with into battle and by the end of the battle then maybe he could summon another

[Aragorn7]

The one thing I would also like to note is that the beastmaster is a tank himself even without the bears. He is really hard to kill.

[Emperor Pan I]

think about it, sure Ud could use him, but they have two great heros already (DK and lich) that are more usefull in beging even with the imbalance.

Ne pretty much have the best abuse for it since at elvel 1 with 700 hitpoints and the bear, archers can just fire from back as the beastmaster itself and the bear take all the damage and when it is close to dieing it goes to moonwells and omg 700 hitpoint BM is back in action after you spent so long trying to kill it. Yeah that is imbalanced against the other races since the others can't do it as well.

[FuZi0N]

zeroxuz, like aragorn said, you most likley dont play solo, he is a real problem..... maybe you should try playing solo and get abused by beastmaster and then tell me what you think......

[VBadGirl]

i agree the winging over nothing he is a streght hero he can cast one bear at the time coz he got no mana for more and what about that FS he has 2 wolves 300 point each he is and intel hero so he can cast it at least 2 times and soon the third. plus a lvl 3 wolf is inv and has critcal stike and plus the chain that rapes ur units?. I surely never heard anyone winging about his wolves or his harassment. big, top players don't wing about him because he isn't hard to kill ><!.

learn to micro better and then say if he is hard or not to kill.

[Aragorn7]

Hello! The NE are the only ones that cause problems here. Like pan said above Undead/Orc/Human don't have as many uses for him. He is very hard to kill, don't play that point down.

If the player is good, the BM only makes it worse. If the player sucks, the BM doesn't help much. If you are beating newbs then you won't run into problems with the beastmaster.

[VBadGirl]

well aragon u just answer ur problem if the player is good! that's what is actually killing u..any hero used well is a killer. look, ne tend to get him coz we don't have any tank heros. dh is very easy to kill with bold or nova or coil. potm is very easy to kill, warden is weak until lvl 4-5 at least kotg the same..so beast master seems a good option as tank.

I have seen other races using him and my orc at partner is using him sometimes. not just ne players do.

well i do run into newbs coz the place is crawling with them but i also play good players in good clans like za, the feard, and so on. i didn't beat just newbs...or better said we. i seen a top replay where the crappy potm was holding a BM back with no problems.

Micro is the way out...not pointing fingers who is overpowered.

[Aragorn7]

Insane micro really does help, I have to admit. But like I have said you would have to outnumber the guys APM's by like 40-50. They are just plain overpowered. It is a combonation of the bears and the hawks. His abilities are too powerful. The bears are too powerful. All his units are very very good. And if mana potions are used he can cast multiple bears into existance....causing more havoc.

[VBadGirl]

heheheh u winging for nothing. the bear cool down is long and the beast master because he is a strenght hero doesn't have a lot of mana. what happends if he can cast 2 at once then u should see what havoc will be . as i said i don't think anyone complaint about fs's wolves and they are more deadly than the bear. plus he can cast only 1 hawk at the time.

u don't need insane micro to beat him..just a better micro than the player that is using him.

try CL i doubt u'll have a problem with the beast master.

[Aragorn7]

Maybe.....I always use the DK because he can heal shit...if you know what I mean.

I actually haven't run into the beastmaster a whole lot lately in Solo but in AT's with Pan we have seen a good number of people abusing the teleporting power of the bear.

[VBadGirl]

yes indeed dk is a good hero and he is part of the nuking heros along with DL and lich but i saw a lot of players going CL instead of dk as long as all races got many ways in healing their units. for ud is burow and canibalize...so u shouldn't need dk anymore.maybe as second hero to heal ur c.l. and aura.

[Aragorn7]

It is good for keeping units alive. Next time I go against the humans I might get CL + Dark Ranger....just because they always get casters.

I wish you could just buy staff of silence....

[VBadGirl]

heheh yeah rak ranger is great help against humans but that staff u can get it at creeps .

[Kuro Neko]

I'm thinking you like the ranger only for her jugs, Aragorn

I usually just get the DK and Crypt lord since most of the time, the enemy targets the crypt lord, so just keep coiling him, then have your army knock out theirs.

[Aragorn7]

Originally posted by Faint
I'm thinking you like the ranger only for her jugs, Aragorn

You will never know my motives....

[Emperor Pan I]

The reason that the wolves don't get to much attention, is because they are so weak. unless they level 3, they are weak. as for the BM a level 1 can cast the bear twice and he is a better tank then any other hero in the game. Big deal he has low mana, ever heard of moonwells? i thought you said u were good? there are tons of ways to get mana. I have seen like 2 bears and 2 hawks with a BM and archers hunts and shit.

You cannot say micro, cause i have downloaded replays of NE vs Ud, NE vs. HU, and Ne vs. orc and whenever they get the beast master the outcome is all the same =beastmaster wins

[VBadGirl]

we are talking in general and i haven't said i was good. indeed are a lot of ways to get mana. but! we were talking when he rushes and when u rush u don't do freeze..go back to ur wells come back and start the action where u left it.

Wolves aren't weak , i am sure that ur aco's wouldnt agree with u..nor the peasents .

i think if u seen 2 hawk and 2 bears, u were seeing double pan he can have only 1 hawk at the time.

lolol..i think u dl'ed the wrong replays pan

and one one thing pan beast master is ok but MK is better lets nerf him also ...and i swear i hate that dawrf ><!~