Hu vs NE strat

[QuikSilver]

I am having a problem vs NE...Everytime they go Bears + archers + dryads...they screw me....what would you suggest?

Also Archers + Dryads + Chimeras?

Thanks

[Ntrik_]

moved

anyways, try having some towers for early rush, then go good old rifle + casters and gryphons later on~

and remember to creeep!

[Lizardbreath]

Rifles/mortars with priests to heal should do the trick. I suggest that you have a paladin/mountain king combo for heroes for a meet shield.

[QuikSilver]

Ntrik:
Tower rush wont work out very well because the guy is going archers! If he was going hunts then it might work out! A handfull of Gryphons are a mistake against the first and second strats that I was asking about because they fall like flies agains archers and dryads.
I have seen replays and it seems like rifles do the trick only against bears(no support)...But, I tried this against some one and I got owned by the dryads that took away slow and all those bears....
Mortars are very good...Those are a must...
Do any of you suggest knights? or Breakers?

[None293823]

Just go some riflemen (6-8 or 9) then make 2 sanctums and more priests(3-4 ) and breakers (3-4-5). If he masses dryads and archers make some mortars also if he masses bears. Use blizzard instead of elementals vs mass bears. If he makes some chims don't fight, get quickly 1 or 2 aviaries and make some hawks. If he has dryads mort would be good to stop them from killing your hawks. No need tier 3 i say, just combine these.

[Lizardbreath]

You could try going knights/mortars/priests.....That could work also. You could even throw in sorc if they don't have very many drads. Just have the mortars focus fire the dryads/archers and it should do the trick for you.

[QuikSilver]

HMm...i think ill try the rifles/priests/mortars...But the hawks against chimeras just wont work when he has dryads or archers because the hawks will get taken out while they cast their net...
thanks

[Ntrik_]

I never said that you should do tower rush.... towers to defend.. and well, i dunno.. either way, even if its hunts or archer, it wont matter, towers will fall someday, its just for you to buy some time and block the entrance.

I also never said grab handul of Gryphs.. just few

mortars... hmm... siege > unarmored for sure.. but what you're saying is that they went archer + dyrad and druids.. so.. I would go with spell breakers instead then, with rifles, and priests and few sorcs to slow down bears.

[None293823]

Originally Posted by quiksilver87

HMm...i think ill try the rifles/priests/mortars...But the hawks against chimeras just wont work when he has dryads or archers because the hawks will get taken out while they cast their net...
thanks

I do it with hawks and the dryads are killed by my rifles and morts of they are 4-5. If they are more you can kill them with some morts (3-4) and you can also try mass gyros vs chims.

[LuNa[eP]]

no decent elf goes chimaeras against human, too much effective anti air...
but the bear strategy ( look my signature ) just PWNS humans. bears fast tech with DH + 4 hunts , then panda, can only be countered if the human players is really better than the elf one. try looking for gosu replays, i've never seen a human beat spirit.moon , even massing gryphons against the bears. the fact of the dryad be trained in the same "rax" which bears are make this matchup much easier, and 2 staffs of preservation will guarantee that you lose NO BEARS.
But you can try something that i foundvery useful against techers: like a tower attack while he techs (it's not a tower rush, but a normal attack suppoprted by towers that you build while attacking), with AM(water elementals) + footies.
If he counters your attack with 2 hunts and an AoW, just leave, he outmicroes you like hell and you're really screwed up. :ufo

[Ntrik_]

all you need is DH + hunt harass to beat human anyways, bears are for only if it took you that long lol

[None293823]

Originally Posted by LuNa[eP]

no decent elf goes chimaeras against human, too much effective anti air...
but the bear strategy ( look my signature ) just PWNS humans. bears fast tech with DH + 4 hunts , then panda, can only be countered if the human players is really better than the elf one. try looking for gosu replays, i've never seen a human beat spirit.moon , even massing gryphons against the bears. the fact of the dryad be trained in the same "rax" which bears are make this matchup much easier, and 2 staffs of preservation will guarantee that you lose NO BEARS.
But you can try something that i foundvery useful against techers: like a tower attack while he techs (it's not a tower rush, but a normal attack suppoprted by towers that you build while attacking), with AM(water elementals) + footies.
If he counters your attack with 2 hunts and an AoW, just leave, he outmicroes you like hell and you're really screwed up. :ufo

That is right but with more breakers and micro where will the rejuv go ? That is why you should have casters- mostly priests and breakers, not so necessarily sorcerer if he dispells.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

That is right but with more breakers and micro where will the rejuv go ? That is why you should have casters- mostly priests and breakers, not so necessarily sorcerer if he dispells.

bears > breakers

hunts > breakers

breakers have medium armor and bears have 60 dmg normal for a reason but you do have a point, alot of suppport from casters and breakers just might do it.

But....

hunts + hero rush = gg human.

[LuNa[eP]]

just dont use spells until breakers are gone. noone masses spellbreakers, and if they did, they wont benefit from stealing spell, neither you will need to use rejuv, cuz' bears >>>>> breakers.

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally Posted by NtRik_

bears > breakers

hunts > breakers

breakers have medium armor and bears have 60 dmg normal for a reason but you do have a point, alot of suppport from casters and breakers just might do it.

But....

hunts + hero rush = gg human.

Bears are tier 3, breakers are 2

[LuNa[eP]]

anyway, DOTC are tier 2
and you can just hit and run, healing your entire army away from the human
and you got staffs of teleportation, spirit.moon style ^^
no bear dies.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Pan

Bears are tier 3, breakers are 2

bears with reju are tier 2.

[Emperor Pan I]

DOTC is tier 2, and DOTC have no attack, and shit armor/health

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Pan

DOTC is tier 2, and DOTC have no attack, and shit armor/health

more than what breakers do, and theres huntresses for a reason too :grunt

[None293823]

Originally Posted by LuNa[eP]

just dont use spells until breakers are gone. noone masses spellbreakers, and if they did, they wont benefit from stealing spell, neither you will need to use rejuv, cuz' bears >>>>> breakers.

Oh really? See some Hum vs Hum or vs mass bears replays - at least 4 breakers