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08-24-2003, 11:26 PM
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| Paladin, the 1st agility hero?
what would you guys think if the pally was switched to become an agility hero?
the reason i post this is because i think it would make sense:
1. Give him a combat boost
2. Agility heros have increased armor and that would make the armor aura all the more sensical
3. Agility heros have increased attack rate and that would make his divie shield all hte more practical
4. The humans need an agility hero
5. The other healing hero is agility based and works well in combat
6. It would make the paladin a viable choice as 1st hero
Why not the mk? because dwarfs always rely on strength and the mk is awesome with his strength as primary attribute.
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08-25-2003, 02:54 AM
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| NO.His damage would be so low even the DL would eclipse it.
Not all the best heroes have great Agility scores (MK, DK and KotG if you like it).
The DH and BM, as you might compare him to, are naturally strong. They have great movement speed and turn rate and naturally large amounts of damage for meagre stats.
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08-25-2003, 08:41 PM
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| That's what he's trying to say. Just make agility his primary attribute... he'll have the same damage. This a great idea IMO because the only problem I see with being a agility based melee hero is that it would be SO easy to die... DH doesn't die easy because of evasion, bm because of windwalk and mirror. Paladin? Divine Shield.
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08-26-2003, 04:37 AM
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| NO!The Pally's Strength /level is 2.7 and the Agility/Level 1.5. His damage would be so damn low and his health the same but it doesn't gain the healing bonus for HP therefore he'd die easier!
The only exception is the DH and BM. As I said, they're naturally strong. You need to know the World Editor for this, but the 24-46 damage is not stat related, it's naturally like that.
Yes, it would make DS more useful but it doesn't really last that long. The cooldown time for the Pally is I think 2.1 seconds so if it did make Agility, it still would be extremely slow. It's slow for a hero as well.
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08-26-2003, 04:52 AM
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| Paladin an agility hero? rofl, lets make the TC and agility hero, and the crypt lord intellegence. while were at it, make the lich strength. ahahaha lets **** around with shti we don't know about.
Paladin is strength, making him agility would making him worse then he is. humans do not need an agility hero, as undead do not have one either. one other thing to add, the NE do not have a strength hero. | |
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08-26-2003, 05:01 AM
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| Well you could make the Paladin an agility based hero just rase his hp to make up for low hp and if he leveled up with agility he could be ok its an ok idea but i dont think it would ever work.
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08-26-2003, 05:16 AM
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| That would throw the entire game out of balance. the entire paladin would have to be completely redone, since agility heros are fast and attack fast, have lower hp higher armor lower attack etc.
The game woould be thrown out of balance, and more patches would follow having to nerf and buff things you wouldn't normaly cause human is now a race with strength intelegence and agility.
think, It is not a requirement, the paladin is fine the way it is, he just isn't prefered. no reason to change the game. | |
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08-26-2003, 05:26 AM
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| Itried making the DH a strength hero and *swears badly* it's so damn strong! I think it's weaker in Meta form if you do that as well.
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08-26-2003, 05:29 AM
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| Exactly, you have to completely change it around. if the DH was strength, it would be beaten with the nerf stick badly. you can not just switch a hero's class because you think he would be better like that. Not once has blizzard done such in it's patch's. | |
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08-26-2003, 05:34 AM
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| Yeah i second that emotion.
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08-26-2003, 07:05 AM
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| i learn holy light first but what the hell i know! i use orc.
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08-26-2003, 07:09 AM
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| True if you used Paladin you would no to use divine shield nothing beats that stuff but same as you i just use orc 
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08-26-2003, 07:10 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pan
Exactly, you have to completely change it around. if the DH was strength, it would be beaten with the nerf stick badly. you can not just switch a hero's class because you think he would be better like that. Not once has blizzard done such in it's patch's. | Actually, it was too strong. Meta was an option. The fact both the DH and BM gain more Strength as Agility Heroes is interesting though.
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08-26-2003, 07:12 AM
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| man i played too much of the demo and i got used playing with orc. Anyway i save sheild for my sec skill.
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08-26-2003, 05:58 PM
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| The only thing that agility would be good for in paladin is in custom games thats all. Like gladiators with alot of tomes and the paladin being agility health and armor goes up attack goes up attacks fast and can also use divine shield so it would only be good there.
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08-26-2003, 06:40 PM
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| man use that crap on the undead 300 damage.
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08-26-2003, 06:49 PM
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| Undead r good with gladiators cause of vamp aura they just regain alot of health instintly theres no stopping htme
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08-26-2003, 09:13 PM
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| guys im not an idiot ok...
if the paladin was switched to agility as primary attribute he woulddnt gain 2.7 strength a level LMAO! no he would gain 2.7 agility cause thats his main attribute.
and its not like i dun know what im talking about guys... every race has an agility hero except humans! (yes ud do its called a dark ranger) and ds would compensate for the low hp
but the pally is not really viable as a 1st hero right now and if he was agility it would be better for harass
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08-26-2003, 09:19 PM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Swordancer
guys im not an idiot ok...
if the paladin was switched to agility as primary attribute he woulddnt gain 2.7 strength a level LMAO! no he would gain 2.7 agility cause thats his main attribute.
and its not like i dun know what im talking about guys... every race has an agility hero except humans! (yes ud do its called a dark ranger) and ds would compensate for the low hp
but the pally is not really viable as a 1st hero right now and if he was agility it would be better for harass | but every race can get the dark ranger, even humans, so if u put it like that, humans have an agility her, its called the dark ranger. | |
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08-27-2003, 02:58 AM
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| Quote: Originally posted by Swordancer
guys im not an idiot ok...
if the paladin was switched to agility as primary attribute he woulddnt gain 2.7 strength a level LMAO! no he would gain 2.7 agility cause thats his main attribute.
and its not like i dun know what im talking about guys... every race has an agility hero except humans! (yes ud do its called a dark ranger) and ds would compensate for the low hp
but the pally is not really viable as a 1st hero right now and if he was agility it would be better for harass | TheDHand BM gain less Agility/Level than Strength/level.
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