Warcraft is ez... isnt it?

[ArMeD_SuRvIvOr]

Hey ppl... I'm wondering if I am too good or the quality of players in argentinian servers suck. Look, I've been playing SC for over 6 years and I still do. I play WC3 also, and my record is like 33-7 when I just started playing melee games about 1 week ago. It's just so damn easy, it's like paper rock scissors: enemy has archers, you beat em with footies with defend. Enemy has hunts, you beat them with rifles. Enemy has grunts, slow+rifles.
IT'S ****ING EASY. I play with human and seem to own everyone. I'm currently lvl 11 and I beat players who are lvl 18 or more. And 3 of my losses are discs. The one time I remember getting pwned so bad, is when I had massed some rifles+slow vs human. I was destroying his primary base and I didn't realize he had another one going. So he went breakers+blizzard and pwned me. I'll post one of my replays later.

So... do the quality of players just suck? or am I too good?

[x42bn6]

Argentina? Have you tried playing on USEast or USWest? I'm not actually sure Argentina is a gaming powerhouse.*

[ArMeD_SuRvIvOr]

Yes, I've tried playing on USEast and the lag is terrible. I just can't play. When I play SC in Us East it does not lag... IDK why, if you could tell me how to fix that lag, I would appreciate it. That's why I play on argentinian servers, because of the lag. And no, Argentina hasn't got any good players... only average.

EDIT: oh, remember I'm from Argentina :P

[lcky]

here in europe level like 18 sucks if you are under around 35 they use to be useless, and some of the highlevel dudes just mass to get stats.

give us a replay of your then argentinaboy

[Chris]

Yeah but there is a time where you have archers and you beat foots with sheer micro and proper targeting. Or you go hunts and you kill off rifles. Its rock paper scissors with the armor system yeah, but what it really boils down to unit control and battle strategy.

[ArMeD_SuRvIvOr]

Originally Posted by lcky

here in europe level like 18 sucks if you are under around 35 they use to be useless, and some of the highlevel dudes just mass to get stats.

give us a replay of your then argentinaboy

Don't ever call me "argentinaboy" ¬¬. On topic, here's a replay of mine. It was the hardest game I've ever had in this server (for real), so far. I'm the human player in it (Eros_Ramazzotti).

[vp-flash]

this is a great game

[exiledsk]

yeah i get lag bad too

[Chris]

Originally Posted by lcky

here in europe level like 18 sucks if you are under around 35 they use to be useless, and some of the highlevel dudes just mass to get stats.

give us a replay of your then argentinaboy

Level doesnt mean anything. I used to be level 4 in solo last season, and I could kill 20-30s, like they were nothing. It's also like that in AT, some teams get soft after awhile.

[Impact02]

ok but I have sense for whether a players is good or not ,some stats def. don't mean anything but some do, Chris:

it is true above lvl 35 are good, it depends on what stats what level though. I've seen lame lvl 40 at 900 wins omg, that's massing but after making these games he may have become good. If someone is 7:5, 9:4 you can't say if he's good or not, or 2:0 or 3:0. But I haven't seen newbs with 10:0, 20:0. When hosts see you with 3:0 they say rofl show more like 5:0 or 7:0, and they are right, newbs or bad players cannot make even 5:0 trust me.

Also I can tell you when someone has decay or is real stats - usually someone lvl 23 at 300 wins will have like 300:297 and is newb, while someone may be 129:90 and lvl 18, I can tell you this has been prolly lvl 38 before decay. Lvls above 35 also get ~30 more wins.


Also I think it is important to say how the AMM works (I hate it , sucks)

- the more you lose from a race, the more you match it (e.g every time my ud matches are half and the other half are vs rest 3 races)
- if you mass win and make good stats on high levels, you match with the same or only with good stats, you can be a lvl 30 at 60 wins and will match a lvl 10 with 9:0, you can be lvl 30 400 wins and will match even lvl 10 at 8:5. The reason why you matched a lvl 30 Chris was in Azeroth it takes minutes to match a game and the AMM couldn't match you with anyne lower, like if there are no other ppl you match those.

But I don't see the lvl, I see at what stats what level. The first levels (up to 10 where you have not more than 10 games), you cannot say, e.g now I have 12:7 and 3-4 of my losses are coz I mass matched undead. I could have done better.'

But I've played many times with 10:0, 9:1, 43:20, lvl 30 at 70 wins; and their skill corresponded to their stats, they were good. Now there maybe be a weaker lvl 30 lvl 70 than another lvl 30 at 70 wins but in general that's good. As you can see that random-human I played on TR did things corresponding to his skill even though he was not human real race. That elf lvl 31 at 200 wins was not good, but someone at 60 wins will own me.

high Lvls at low stats are good, to be honest lvl 40 even for more than 200 wins is lame, not to say anything else. I'm talking about solo, I know in RT things don't depend on you and high lvls and everything there means nothing.

Let's make it the Law Of Ladder Stats:

Level alone does not mean anything, but depending on the stats and excluding decay/free losses, it does. Higher levels with fewer stats are good players, lower levels with high stats are bad.

I am lvl 10, but because I owned some good players my opponents are like those with 40:20; soon will be lvl 30 at better stats or lvl 20 at 40 wins with stats 40:15, smth that I cannot own and still showed I needed little to own them. Those must have been lvl 37+, I can see it from the way they play and the stats they make.

That is why I ROFLed at custom public games and stopped playing them at all, coz I should be playing ladder and not waste my time with cg, 2ndly coz all join a game and all are obs, no one plays or u just see newbs including retards who would make peon rush, 3rd) because in ladder I play vs much better.

Yesterday I was afraid to continue, as I knew what oppos I would be matching and needed a break to continue and today I'll face 'em.

[Chris]

If I edited that post for grammar, that could make a pretty good sticky for the Strategies, on the whole Ladder System.

But yeah I understand there is a difference when the player is 35+ and has like 25:7 to get there. Than someone who is 24:25 and they are like level 19-20. But sometimes stats alone aren't the answer. I have seen people with 25:7 in FFA for instance, and I have beaten them with little or no effort in micro. But I have been beaten even with heavy micro by players who are like 10:15 at times. This all happened before the last ladder reset.

What I look for is the micro itself during gameplay. Stats and level just give me a basic idea of how the person performs up till now. And sometimes, stats say it all, or they don't.

[Impact02]

Huh are you saying my grammar is bad? I don't bother watching for every comma or tense when it's like chat and I try not to do so long posts as it wastes enough time , not to say if I edited it for grammar. But hey do you want me to make a guide on Battle Net strats, not on race strats, mayb we need to clarify things for some people what is good what is not. I have enough knowledge to say in Azeroth/Northrend how to judge players, ect. Do you want me to do a guide for Bnet, including what you may expect in bnet as players, etc? What stats is good etc... About the Ladder system? I know when not to judge s.o's stats and can mention it.

I brought 1 more replay in the other thread. Now my good oppos rly come heh I do well vs other 3 races but when I match a good ud i feel I'm gonna lose.

[Chris]

I wasn't insulting your english abilities. I was saying we could edit it to make it more "Sticky worthy".

A basic guide on solo in general. How the maps work, what to expect in each map that the higher pros like the best elf player or Grubby would do. For instance, in TS, some elves setup an Ancient of War at the Goblin Lab south or north of the base and take the creep on with it and a hero. What to check for in who you face, and possible winning strats for each race. Plus some more advanced stuff like how AMM works and how you say "Get paired up with a Level 27 with 60:56 then the next game you get a Level 16 10:0).

You never know when a guide on how the solo mechanisms work could come in handy for those hardcore soloists. Or for those up and coming soloists who want to know what "good stats" or "not so good stats are". I am thinking of this because you are knowledgable in that deptartment, but we post all over the place this good topic and we could easily condense it into 3 posts. I can easily help you fill the void for orc solo strats.

[Impact02]

I did it, piece of cake, not more than 2h and 30 min. And I kept on typing, it's not like doing an essay in German or in any other class where you don't know how to make 10 pages and have to think and it takes days.

Sticky it and it may be better to close it too, no replies after that. Also you can delete my previous guide stickied by Cortalos if you want, I don't need it and all strats there are so old, not useful anymore imo.