Communication is Key

[zx9r]

This is just a public service announcement regarding communication in regards with RT games. Not really a strategy, but more a plea to people who dont like to communicate with a team. If you dont like communicating, then maybe solo is where you should be?

People ask me what strat I am going, and I tell them, usually its something like Grunt to Raider/Wyv or whatever. That is communication. Communication is also important when you are going to rush or cc or attack a base. People need to know whats going on. I cant count the times ive asked what peoples plans were, only to get no reply, and then 10 minuntes into the game i check on them and they have a T1 hall, 2 farms, and an altar... :hbut

I guess my main gripe is this... I love team games, i find it so much better to play with someone than to just solo... but getting AT games going isnt that easy with schedules and crap, and I dont like telling someone there OMGWTF NOOB BUILD, (you have all heard it if u play 4v4 im sure) but jeez... guess i need to play more and get to a higher lvl so I wont have to deal with idle people that think the point of WC is to collect the most gold/wood.

Sorry if this is in the wrong spot, maybe it should be moved to general discussion.

[G-Blunted]

Definatly your problem is your playing at too low of a level. Also, if your Orc you don't really care what others are going because every game you should be going grunts, raiders, wyvers, shamen, tauren...

Also there's nothing worse than a noob that bugs you about what you're going to make, when you don't even know yet!! Like wtf, if you're not orc then you probably won't know what you're going to make past tier 1. Also the people that ask, "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE?!! TELL ME! TELL ME! TELL ME!!" are always the people that's tier 2 with level 1 hero and just sit in their base the whole time.

In RT...do your thing...if you see major problems, then communicate the problems so you can solve them and then you won't have to blame your ally, you can say you both tried a decent attempt. Happens with me mostly when an Orc or HU stop making melee...that is just signs of trouble for me, and i'll often times be like, "DUde, we need melee immediatley" and i'll maybe feed him a little bit of gold or wood or something...but other than that, you're not going to get a huge in depth strat with your ally in the short amount of time you have while laying down buildings, it's not AT.

Basically I find myself trying to take on the other two armies by myself. At least I'll try to choose units which will counter the other army the best, and anything I can't do too well (melee until abombs) i'll mention to my ally and hope he'll find it in his best intrest to cooporate and try to fill the weakness in my army. Can either play like this or you can try to fill holes in your ally's army, but his army is always like....not that great...I'm top 1000 RT (sometimes) and I still play with horrible players....I really need to get my ELL up....

[zx9r]

Yeah i never really understood how bnet matched up people in RT... the whole thing about ELL and win%, and all that crap, my level is low, but (most times) it puts me up against people who are of a HIGHER level (much, like 20s 30s compared to my 10) but their skill is either close to or less than my own. Ive watched a few of my last replays, and the games that I lost, if i had had a teemmate that was on par with my skill, we would have wiped the 2 opponnents.
Can anyone explain to me how ELL is calculated or how it determins who you play with/against? Just wanna clear some confusion. Thanx.

[G-Blunted]

Oh you're only level 10?? Also...your level and the # of games you've played is big deal. If you're level 10 after 4 games that's pretty good...if you're level 10 after 100 games you definatly are a true level 10. Also you gotta learn in RT not to blame your allies for losses (unless they backstab or do something other than at least try to win). If you think you're always the best on the team and you blame losing on allies...you should switch to solo. That's what I did because I'm definatly better than anyone I'll meet at my ELL

[zx9r]

Yeah i had considered switching to solo, but i have a few concerns. Would I be better off making a new account to play, or using my current one, lvl 10, around 50% win, and something like 30-40 games played. (ive screwed off a lot on this one, which is why my % is low... spent like 5 games experimenting with tinker/alchemist combo Just wanna know which way I would face more ppl my skill lvl, and no die hard gosu's with 250 apm. Although im sure ill face a few smurfs, id like to switch to solo but not have my ass handed to me in the process.

[G-Blunted]

Originally Posted by zx9r

Yeah i had considered switching to solo, but i have a few concerns. Would I be better off making a new account to play, or using my current one, lvl 10, around 50% win, and something like 30-40 games played. (ive screwed off a lot on this one, which is why my % is low... spent like 5 games experimenting with tinker/alchemist combo Just wanna know which way I would face more ppl my skill lvl, and no die hard gosu's with 250 apm. Although im sure ill face a few smurfs, id like to switch to solo but not have my ass handed to me in the process.

I'd just use that acount you're using, if it has no solo games played then I don't think it matters, you can just start playing solo on it and it starts you from scratch. My advice is to just start playing, like the first 10 games they match you up with people that suck, and people that are gosu, and depending on how you do, that's how you'll get matched up in the future. With me I've used my same account on Azeroth (G-Blunted) since i started playing the game, I just play whoever and don't really care about my record (already got my Dark Ranger icon! ). Anyways, you wanna face people your skill level, just start playing and AMM will do it all for ya! You'll find some people are just terrible! I still get matched up against players that suck; In fact my last game I played was last night and I won vs. an orc who was making his first burrow by the time i arrived to his base, guy didn't even know how to play the game and I'm like 60 games deep (so you can see where my ELL is at :dance ) Anyways, I just play for fun and it seems like you do too. Sometimes I feel like RT, but then get some ally that's like, "I hope you're not a noob! I just lost 3 games in a row because my ally was noob!" Then he goes to lose his hero to creeps and blames me for not healing him....or he places burrows two miles in front of his base and blames me for letting 'em die....then he goes, "IF MY ALLY WASN'T A FREAKIN NOOB WE WOULD HAVE WON!!" And quits game with 3000 gold.....then I remember why I started playing solo, and search solo!

PS. I found key to switching to solo is you gotta tell yourself you're gunna own this guy like you were 4k^FoV...and off you go!

[zx9r]

Yeah, thats my main reason for not solo'ing, i tried it a few times when i first got the game (skipping the campaigns, of course, which i afterwards went and did), and that was a year or two after it came out, so naturally i got my ass handed to me. i think my confidence is what holds me back, but ill just give it a shot, what the hell right?

[Chris]

I tell them what I am going to do and how I will do it. If they got a problem with that, then they are all scrubs who can't micro and do nothing. Hell, the last time I relied on teammates, I lost in a 4on1 because all 3 were pussies and said htey were gonna get killed.

However, 3 games after I win because the enemy were idiots. Like Win 2, they split attack (2on2 each base), two guys left, so it was me and my partner. My base was Grunt/Raidered + Rifled, my ally's base was Knight raidered. I managed to get my teammate's gargs/wyrms up along wiht my tauren docs pults to destroy the 2on2 to the north. They had 0 escape when they did it and thier heroes were lvl 2-4 when mine was 5! Then I head south with Green (the only active player left) and killed all the knights and shit. My teammate massed chippos and we eventually won. I had to get more demos and grunts in the end because of the tank count.

[G-Blunted]

You play a lot of 4's Hellwolf?

[zx9r]

I think he does mostly 2's. There is a HUGE diff between 2v2 RT and 4v4 RT... 2v2, you either have a newbelf partner or not. 4v4 its pretty much a guarantee that 1 of your allies will have no clue what "BM + Grunts to Shams/Tauren" means. =D

[Chris]

Originally Posted by G-Blunted

You play a lot of 4's Hellwolf?

I used to for the boredom reasons. Now I have stopped playing even 3on3 because of the fact 3on3 RT is nothing but massing units. 2on2 is like my Mini Solo pills before I go for the real thing. This season, I only played 13 4on4s and won 9 of them .

In 2on2, there isnt that much noobery, the real threat is getting outmicroed or overpowered. Other than that, it is clear sailing for me. My micro is between a point of a commoner and gosu. I can micro, but sometimes I forget the obvious things and I pay with it dearly. But we all make these mistakes, even the pros .

But sure my record looks tarnished, but that proves nothing! It's the skill that I possess and my thoughts in battle that give me victories.

[xgoonx]

:butterfly

Originally Posted by Hellwolf_36

I used to for the boredom reasons. Now I have stopped playing even 3on3 because of the fact 3on3 RT is nothing but massing units. 2on2 is like my Mini Solo pills before I go for the real thing. This season, I only played 13 4on4s and won 9 of them .

In 2on2, there isnt that much noobery, the real threat is getting outmicroed or overpowered. Other than that, it is clear sailing for me. My micro is between a point of a commoner and gosu. I can micro, but sometimes I forget the obvious things and I pay with it dearly. But we all make these mistakes, even the pros .

But sure my record looks tarnished, but that proves nothing! It's the skill that I possess and my thoughts in battle that give me victories.

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[Chris]

Originally Posted by xgoonx

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What form of drugs are you on and who is your provider?

[xgoonx]

1.) drugs from me 2.) me
and i was just bored

[brightlight]

rt is like more annoying form of at. sc 3vs3 normal hunters not that fastest map crap and bgh, was great.. but it seems only thing,
when i go random or something and i end up with ne, sooo many people freak out when i build ancient of war and moonwell only till moonwell is finished.
in tavern map of course
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[Chris]

In 2on2 though, the shadow hunter rush loses its effectiveness. Because there isn't enough wards to flood the screen and smart players destroy them when they are summoned for free experience. The last AT, they attempted this. But we pushed them back twice, also to a point where my ally got necs and I had Raiders and 800 grunts and demos. But they still had thier sh and 700 0/0 Grunts.

[Carbon]

yeah. I was 3v3 RT the other day and we lost because my 2 teamates were arguing about archers or some shit.

[Chris]

Why the hell do they need 2 archer teams? In 3on3, if you got 2 NEs, then make one of your Night Elves go hunts, the other archers and tell them both to stop thier whining.

[G-Blunted]

Originally Posted by Hellwolf_36

2on2 is like my Mini Solo pills before I go for the real thing.

Quote For Truth...This is how I play too...I like the "Mini Solo Pills" description