APM Means Nothings

[IceDevil9]

Just because you can right click somehwere a bunch of times doens't mean it reflects your skill level. Stop analyzing people's APMs, idiots who tink they're 'gosu' right-click right in the beggining of the gam,e just to up their APMs to make them seem like a good player, you can have a mid to low APM and still kick ass, it's all in the way you play the game, not how fast you can click a mouse button.

-Frank :cool:

[aphextwin]

i dont right click everywhere and i still get apm of about 100

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by IceDevil9

Just because you can right click somehwere a bunch of times doens't mean it reflects your skill level. Stop analyzing people's APMs, idiots who tink they're 'gosu' right-click right in the beggining of the gam,e just to up their APMs to make them seem like a good player, you can have a mid to low APM and still kick ass, it's all in the way you play the game, not how fast you can click a mouse button.

-Frank :cool:

High apm = fast reaction time

But generally you dont need 300 apm all the time in wc, only about 100~200 range, which isnt hard to get at all.

[Emperor Pan I]

sounds like someone has a low APM

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Pan

sounds like someone has a low APM

frank had about 60~90, which isnt horrible... well i dont know.

[TheoStormhawk]

Originally Posted by IceDevil9

Just because you can right click somehwere a bunch of times doens't mean it reflects your skill level. Stop analyzing people's APMs, idiots who tink they're 'gosu' right-click right in the beggining of the gam,e just to up their APMs to make them seem like a good player, you can have a mid to low APM and still kick ass, it's all in the way you play the game, not how fast you can click a mouse button.

-Frank :cool:

It is not only how fast u click a buton man, you should know this.
I have some replays of some guys that click alot (Insomnia, Spirit moon, and some old ones from Madfrog) maybe they are noobs also, I think u can teach them a lesson.
You had to open a new thread just to say that people ho watch their apm are idiots.

No offense, but maybe u could give some real reasons to support your opinion.

[Chris]

No offense, but you complain too much Icedevil.

APM has nothing to do with winning games, it just allows you to control your units better.

[IceDevil9]

How am I complaining Hellowlf, merely pointing out a valid point, someone with an APM of 30 can still kick somone's ass who has an APM of like 400.

-Frank :cool:

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Hellwolf_36

No offense, but you complain too much Icedevil.

APM has nothing to do with winning games, it just allows you to control your units better.

controling your units better means winning games, right?

and apm 30? Frank thats too low, I'd say around 100~150 would be able to beat 400 apm, considering that he or she knows what he or she is doing and is like godly player.

[Emperor Pan I]

Strategy isn't the be all end all, an APM is usualy a deciding factor in a match between two balanced armies and good palyers. In truth it is alot of time the players ability to micromanage to the extrem.

I find when i subgroup more, I win more, so I ahve been trying my damndest to subgroup heros, use F1 more and buildings even in battle.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Ntrik_

controling your units better means winning games, right?

Well, controlling them better allows you to keep them alive.

[TheoStormhawk]

Originally Posted by IceDevil9

How am I complaining Hellowlf, merely pointing out a valid point, someone with an APM of 30 can still kick somone's ass who has an APM of like 400.

-Frank :cool:

I haven't saw yet a player with 400 apm but I saw and played against ones with almost 300 apm and they seemed for me very very hard to defeat.
I had about the same army as they did, and I was defeated. Like I said I am a player with an average of 150 apm.

So if u say that someone with 30 can defeat somebody with 400 I think u are terribly wrong man, very wrong.

Originally Posted by Pan

Strategy isn't the be all end all, an APM is usualy a deciding factor in a match between two balanced armies and good palyers. In truth it is alot of time the players ability to micromanage to the extrem.

I find when i subgroup more, I win more, so I ahve been trying my damndest to subgroup heros, use F1 more and buildings even in battle.

Well said man.

[Chris]

Well control them less and you will lose men fast, control them WAY too much and they cannot attack or anything, since while moving, they have to be stationary to attack.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by Hellwolf_36

Well control them less and you will lose men fast, control them WAY too much and they cannot attack or anything, since while moving, they have to be stationary to attack.

obivously, person with high apm is doing other things in town as they fight, meaning units have time ot attack...

[Chris]

Dude, you can simply hotkey useful peasents and factories. That way you can build while you are fighting battles like 100 miles outside of town.

[None293823]

I will agree and i won't agree. APM does mean something but higher APM still doesnt mean you will never lose to lower APM. But indeed, I have to agree with IceDevil on 1 thing- you can't say 'look im 10x better than u cuz i have higher APM.'

Generally it is thought that when a lvl 30 for exmple has ~100 apm another lvl30 150+, the one with higher is better. But what is Actions per Minute ? You think by clicking some times in the beginning you make 200-300 APM ???? ROFL to that newb thinking. By doing that you can cover not more than 120 APM. The reset is a sum of actions with units, multiple actions, selecting buildings with hotkeys , MICRO of all sorts, expanding, teleporting, num pad for items use and most of all NOT staying in the base likea a noob. In one report about mTw-DIDI8 he was asked how he makes every time ~300 apm. He said he never stays in the base, never something is at reset, he always uses something.

I never call somebody weaker or noob because he has lower APM than mine, never. However, i watch my apm every time and i want to make it to 200. In fact, as you may think i won't start mass clicking just to get another 30 points. I play normally, during the game i DO NOT think about apm and do the ~same number of actions. IF you could do 200 APM only with spamming , well everybody would be so. I used to make 120, then 130-140, now in my last games i keep from 155-171. I didnt specially spam as i said- i dont think about apm during the game, it all came by itself. I always get 150+ and not below. This is just faster fingers, faster actions from more playing. And generally it shows more skill when you know that you use hotkeys for faster building etc and your oppo just clicks 10 hours like a retard.

I use w3chart and i notice the following: some short replays are over 30-50kb and if a person leaves very soon you may get 220 apm. I dont count this. I count only long games because they show your real apm and my best is either 167 for 110-kb replay or 171 for 90kb. The more seconds you have, the more APM splits and thats why for a short replay u may have 230 apm while in a game that ends long enough you have~160, now the 2nd is real.

Sometimes i still dont get it. Pan plays like every good UD with multiple actions but he gets below 100. Every pro in Northrend has more than 200 apm unlike in Azeroth. Weird thing but I also say- higher apm doesnt mean you cant lose vs lower.

[TheoStormhawk]

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

I will agree and i won't agree. APM does mean something but higher APM still doesnt mean you will never lose to lower APM. But indeed, I have to agree with IceDevil on 1 thing- you can't say 'look im 10x better than u cuz i have higher APM.'

Yes, but u can't say that an 30 apm can beat a 300 or higher.

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

Generally it is thought that when a lvl 30 for exmple has ~100 apm another lvl30 150+, the one with higher is better.

Only if they have the same kind of units, and about the same amount of army.

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

But what is Actions per Minute ? You think by clicking some times in the beginning you make 200-300 APM ???? ROFL to that newb thinking. By doing that you can cover not more than 120 APM. The reset is a sum of actions with units, multiple actions, selecting buildings with hotkeys , MICRO of all sorts, expanding, teleporting, num pad for items use and most of all NOT staying in the base likea a noob. In one report about mTw-DIDI8 he was asked how he makes every time ~300 apm. He said he never stays in the base, never something is at reset, he always uses something.

I never call somebody weaker or noob because he has lower APM than mine, never. However, i watch my apm every time and i want to make it to 200. In fact, as you may think i won't start mass clicking just to get another 30 points. I play normally, during the game i DO NOT think about apm and do the ~same number of actions. IF you could do 200 APM only with spamming , well everybody would be so. I used to make 120, then 130-140, now in my last games i keep from 155-171. I didnt specially spam as i said- i dont think about apm during the game, it all came by itself. I always get 150+ and not below. This is just faster fingers, faster actions from more playing. And generally it shows more skill when you know that you use hotkeys for faster building etc and your oppo just clicks 10 hours like a retard.

I use w3chart and i notice the following: some short replays are over 30-50kb and if a person leaves very soon you may get 220 apm. I dont count this. I count only long games because they show your real apm and my best is either 167 for 110-kb replay or 171 for 90kb. The more seconds you have, the more APM splits and thats why for a short replay u may have 230 apm while in a game that ends long enough you have~160, now the 2nd is real.

Very well said man

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

Sometimes i still dont get it. Pan plays like every good UD with multiple actions but he gets below 100. Every pro in Northrend has more than 200 apm unlike in Azeroth.

There are alot alot of players on Northrend who have 200 apm or higher (I know because I am from Northrend), the level of playing is high on this gateway.This is why there are not so many noobs.
About the thing u said about Pan, I think beside what u mention above, an important way to improve apm is to microcontrol your units during the army fighting, I mean not only to control your heroes and spellcasters, to try to control as many units as possible and all of this during the battle with your whole army.

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

Weird thing but I also say- higher apm doesnt mean you cant lose vs lower.

Not too much lower, and this can happen only if your strategy is totaly wrong compared to that of the opponent. This is why I said (on another post) that usually the high apm players have well estabished strategies, alot of playing experience gained and they cannot be defeated by low apm players, because when someone starts to play this game, they practice on strategies first, on improving knowledge about units, gameplay...... and after all of that they try to improve the apm.

[None293823]

Originally Posted by TheoStormhawk

Yes, but u can't say that an 30 apm can beat a 300 or higher.



Only if they have the same kind of units, and about the same amount of army.



Very well said man



There are alot alot of players on Northrend who have 200 apm or higher (I know because I am from Northrend), the level of playing is high on this gateway.This is why there are not so many noobs.
About the thing u said about Pan, I think beside what u mention above, an important way to improve apm is to microcontrol your units during the army fighting, I mean not only to control your heroes and spellcasters, to try to control as many units as possible and all of this during the battle with your whole army.




Not too much lower, and this can happen only if your strategy is totaly wrong compared to that of the opponent. This is why I said (on another post) that usually the high apm players have well estabished strategies, alot of playing experience gained and they cannot be defeated by low apm players, because when someone starts to play this game, they practice on strategies first, on improving knowledge about units, gameplay...... and after all of that they try to improve the apm.

Heh, what do u think am i ? Bulgaria = Northrend player, i dont play Azeroth. And yes every unit in battle. In battles you have to select one group to attack one, another to attack another unit and casters to do smth else. Not ff all units on 1 lol this is noobish. I have ~good micro and still get outmicroed vs a lvl 32-35-40 (old real lvl).

[Chris]

You would only fire all on one. If its lone, or you are picking off fleeing units.

[TheoStormhawk]

Originally Posted by Mystic Sorcerer

Heh, what do u think am i ? Bulgaria = Northrend player, i dont play Azeroth. And yes every unit in battle. In battles you have to select one group to attack one, another to attack another unit and casters to do smth else. Not ff all units on 1 lol this is noobish. I have ~good micro and still get outmicroed vs a lvl 32-35-40 (old real lvl).

I know that Bulgaria means Northrend man )). I am from Romania, our countries are neighbours.
I know also that from Bulgaria is one of the best Warcraft players - Insomnia (if I recall right he was a legend in starcraft too).