Terrain

[Gilles]

I thought I would post my terrain. Anyone from HiveWorkshop or wc3Campagins have probably seen it.

None if this is very new. I haven't been doing any terrain for my showcase lately. Mostly project stuff.

[N[o]obleT]

1, and 7-10 look amazing!
I really have been wanting to get into terraining with great detail but it's time consuming and I'm not much of a patience type.

[Impact02]

So am I, and all I get in hiveworkshop is do-it-yourself. I wanted to have models made but they are lazy doing o's models and looks like I may have to pay them,,, not. Some casual models I can do myself but when it's about models that will be used every time and I need them perfectly made, I don't have the skill to do it.

The terrains are great.

[Gilles]

Originally Posted by Impact02

So am I, and all I get in hiveworkshop is do-it-yourself. I wanted to have models made but they are lazy doing o's models and looks like I may have to pay them,,, not. Some casual models I can do myself but when it's about models that will be used every time and I need them perfectly made, I don't have the skill to do it.

The terrains are great.

I did not follow that whole first part.

Of course you are going to get do it yourself. Unless you have a promising project.

Thanks.

[Chris]

It was basically insulting thehiveworshop for their way of helping. They basically tell you how to do it, and not give you samples. Because there are people out there that do plagiarize other people's work for themselves, and they want to protect that.

Unless you want to sit in front of a PC for 100 hours, learning how to use 3DStudioMax and scripting, then you are not really going to get anywhere with "do-it-yourself". But that is in the case of models.

With regards to terrain . All you need to worry about is the textures for the grounds, and how do you set up your ambiance & doodads.

[Impact02]

Haha Chris we can talk a lot about THW. Ok I understand their 'I need to see ur map to decide if I will make the 14 models you request'. But I see how sometimes you ask for a single spell made with the so called JASS. Or someone asks for a single model, a member you may not see again asking, and NO ONE will do that single model. Threads are left with 0 replies. I was sometimes so pissed off that then I was the bad guy to insult. And Moderators never do requests for casual members, Never, they are too Pro, too Important! It is casual members that help other casual members.

And their mods, wooooow PRO manner. There was one b1tch Werewulf, I'm glad an admin even offered me to make me a mod there and banned her but that person is now still a mod... . I just wondered why bother staying there... All their mods are some flamming No-life kiddies.

Do you know they are Big enemies of Dota. They hate it with all their hearts and I think it's true Dota uses models w/o crediting. At 1st i thought they steal Dota models but when I saw in THW the Radioactivity green cloud and used it in my map and later saw in Dota the Alchemist with it - it turnt out to be the opposite.

Anyway I hate THW, I realized when I sat at the PC to do some casual models for me how much time it wastes(And I asked them to make some of the main models that I will always use. A casual model I will use once - I make it myself). I started -shaping, texturing, remaking the animations coz I cannot do them, it took day after day. And in the summer I did a map and fixing triggers, making all the object data - omg it wastes as much as playing WoW! I deleted it and decided never to do smth so time taking.

13 Models ok too many, I then asked for few of them just to have ANY, no reply - you see replied in every thread and there's mine between 'em with mass views and 0 REPLIES. THW suckers.

Geez they make projects, that wastes so much time. All I need is 13-14 models that I'll use all the time, in every map I make - buildings - no hard animations and still no one will do them (if I need smth casual once i do it myself). I still haven't given up doing them, Chris. I was waiting to go home; to have time and do some of them. You may have seen me mentioning I do that kind of stuff apart from playing melee. I will continue to try to make them/have them done because they may be later exportable to SCII and I will def use them in SCII maps later. I'm just recreating models from empire earth 1 , just 13 of the Nano Epoch buildings that will fit in SCII as they do here. I can make some myself but damn it, they wouldn't even do 5 models... Ok I'll do what I can myself but those I cannot I will continue asking them. I may be willing to give some $$ eventually so that they do it for that instead of - Omgz u don't have a project'.

[Chris]

They aren't a charity service 24/7 you know. There is an old expression: "Catch a man a fish, it would last him a day. Teach a man how to fish, it will last him a lifetime". It's the way THW operates. And it's also the way I operate in this section. I give a suggestion on what to do, then discover how to do it yourself. But apparently, some people want their answers spoon-fed to them.

I for one can't stand their moderators one bit. If I had a forum, I would never let them even think about modding it. Just because you are surrounded by "stupid" people, doesn't give anyone the right to boss them around.

The purpose of THW is to use their resources for your maps,
but it is courtesy that you should give them credit. I myself have used icons at that site, I remember to credit them somewhere. But since I got Photoshop now, I can easily make my own (as long as I get rid of the Alpha Channels).

Models are difficult. 3DStudioMax can make your models, but the real challenge is scripting the damn thing. Its time consuming, especially when you are just learning it. After awhile though, it eventually becomes readable. I for one can't stand scripting, alas I am a Computer Programmer by profession.

As to regards with DotA, almost their entire custom library is THW work. I know this because every since item I have seen on said site. But although they don' give credit to the THW authors, it gets their work stood out to the masses. And DotA gets redundant and boring too easily. Now it is just pub games with noobs that ban anyone with a logging ping of 200+ ms, with us/ca banlisting, and noobies that either leave or cry over split milk.

[Impact02]

To sum up they are unwilling to do things for other people. Do you know what I did? I asked someone to do the models for $ and he makes them quite good and he started doing them! After a year of refusal someone to do them I had to pay but someone would do them finally. And they are so important because I will now use them in war3 and later in SCII!! The EE1 nano buildings are very cool and when I create missions in war3/SCII my style or army will be that of EE1.

[Chris]

He only volunteered to assist you because you offered him cash, and anyone gets easily interested in cash. As long as they know that you are going to pay them and no con them, they will do the work like blind followers to a religion.

[Impact02]

No, believe me almost no one even with cash! Lazyness or why bother helping someone > cash.

I asked one for a paid request and he was like: 'I don't know if I should be insulted or shocked. No I won't work for you' - ahaha work for me. Many people at THW have mental problems.

Other (moderator): Better not ask people to make models for you for cash' - as if it is wrong pff.
Third, a very good modeler didn't even reply back.

And do you know TheHelper.net, one agreed to help me w/o charging me. But I must say the one that I agreed to pay does the models really good, so I don't regret, check this out done by him: This is one of the EE buildings and I'm gonna make a whole City once I have all the models I need:



and the original EE building looks like this, see the first row.


And that saves me SO MUCH time, it's great I can have someone do them! I'm not a modeler and never intend to be. There are ppl who go to art schools, etc, that's not for me. All I wanted was a bunch of models I'm gonna use mb all the time - starting war3, then SC2. If I had to make them, I would waste 4 days only for one and I cannot do proper animations or add particles.

[Chris]

That is not bad for Warcraft III Standards. It reminds me of the GDI Tech Lab from Tiberian Sun.

How big is it when scaled at 1x1 in the map?

[Impact02]

Wow I still don't have the models, they are being made but a map like that may be around 3 MB. He's gonna use same texture for some of the buildings. I don't care because fast PC is supposed to deal with that. If you mean size - I dunno, I can always use scaling value but I told him e.g. house to be as big as a farm, factories as big as arcane sanctum, Capitol as castle ,etc. It can be compared if you import a war3 model in the program and scale ur model according to the war3 models' height.

[Chris]

3 MB for a model? He probably flooded the thing with too many vertecies or polygons. Or the skin file must be causing it.

Just think how bad the file would get if he imported it.

[Impact02]

I'll create a new thread, coz this is not the one for that. You can even void all the replies after that member, so that we don't use this thread for my stuff. I am sharing this with you, so once you read it I don't need it anymore and I don't want others to know what I'm doing anyway.