The DotA Thread! [Basic Strats and Hero/Item talk]

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Dream_Walker

that is untrue, bashers to not stack...
they have diminishing returns, i think its somewhere on www.dotaportal.com

it is not channeling

Hmmm, then its a chain lightning that just strikes teh same person more than once if it has no target.

Originally Posted by Harris

cranium gives 15% melee stun and 10% range stun. and yes you can get them to 75%. true story. I've tested this myself and I played vs. my friend who had 3 bashers and he stunned me all the time. there's no way that only one basher was working.

Maybe because you were facing someone with a VF atk speed?

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

then y do ppl get 2 cbash

To increase the damage, nub. Look 2 cbashers just increase the effectiveness by adding more chances of the bash to trigger, but it will still be like 20% or so. IT DOESNT STACK BECAUSE IT IS A SKILL AND BASH BY DEFAULT CANNOT STACK!

[x42bn6]

For the Bash thing, I believe Blizzard weakened the ability slightly so consecutive Bashes are less likely. For example, Bash may be 25% but the next one 22.5% and the next one 20%. But it goes back to 25% if an attack does not Bash.*

[Dream_Walker]

please explain perma bash troll then, lol.

[x42bn6]

Originally Posted by Dream_Walker

please explain perma bash troll then, lol.

Because it is probability. If I am correct, 6 Cranium Bashers will still stack for full stunning. I mean, with an attack rate like the Troll Warlord's, it's obvious that the chance of stunning per second, say, is ridiculously high.*

[Dream_Walker]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Because it is probability. If I am correct, 6 Cranium Bashers will still stack for full stunning. I mean, with an attack rate like the Troll Warlord's, it's obvious that the chance of stunning per second, say, is ridiculously high.*

it is not full stunning, but probly 4/5 attacks will.

[SouLess]

From what I remember, it goes down 33% each time. So it's what...15% for the first CB, then 11.5ish%, then 66% of that, so on and so forth.

[micro.micro]

i always thought each basher was individual....
so if you had 3 bashers, it would be .85 to the 3rd power which is .61 which means there is a 39% chance to bash every turn. if you also had a 25% chance to bash from a skill, you could add that in by multiplying .61 by .75 to make .45 which gives you a 55% chance of bashing every turn. i've always done my dota items by math and it usually adds up correctly. for the troll warlord, when he is at level 3 rampage, he usually attacks roughly 3-4 times a second and his bash move is 10%. if he had 2 bashers on him, he would have a 35% chance of bashing each turn and after 4 hits he would have a massive 82% chance to bash you every second so i think that the diminishing returns theory is correct because having 6 bashers would give you 90% chance every turn which is pretty much every turn but with DR you only have 56% every turn with 6 bashers.

[Octopor]

Originally Posted by Hellwolf_36

Its probably a starfall that targets 1 person at a time, and will just strike the person over and over if there is just him alone.

It's a trigger that creates dummy units with luna's nuke.

[Dream_Walker]

ya i realized that.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by §tar§oft

It's a trigger that creates dummy units with luna's nuke.

Heh, so its like Rylai's FF. Except with that one, they probably cast Frost Nova on themselves and commit suicide. The scepter probably summons better wisps that cast more hurtful novas on themselves.

Also they spawn on random spots on the locations.

[Dream_Walker]

yep, that is why rylai usually is at the top or near it for the scoreboard, because her unit score is usually higher than others . also if your fast enough you can select the wisps that she summons.

[Chris]

There are a few heroes that get ****ed up hero scores. Sand King, Crystal Maidel, etc.... These units require spawned units to do thier work.

[Harris.On.Rento]

Phantom Assassin with lvl 4 blur, butterly and radiance. isn't 61% evasion pretty good, huh?

[Octopor]

Originally Posted by Dream_Walker

yep, that is why rylai usually is at the top or near it for the scoreboard, because her unit score is usually higher than others . also if your fast enough you can select the wisps that she summons.

I doubt that they're noobish enough to not put Locust on the wisps, therefore I doubt that you can select them no matter how fast you are.

[Dream_Walker]

they didnt dood im tellin ya, , plus they can fix the unit score by giving them 0 points to the units that are spawned.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Harris.On.Rento

Phantom Assassin with lvl 4 blur, butterly and radiance. isn't 61% evasion pretty good, huh?

Evasion doesnt stack either.

[micro.micro]

do boots of travel and ageis work on a chicken? i've never had the time to try this with friends and i'm too scared to do it in a pubby in case i lose my items lol.

[Dream_Walker]

aegis works, just buy a soul booster and BoT works too, along with dagon and guinsoos, .

[micro.micro]

yea i was wondering if i should try that. cuz i feel like implementing that into a KOTL strategy.

[Chris]

Anything works with the Chicken, but stuff that needs a mana supply will require soul boosters or items along those lines.