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Originally Posted by B)ushid(o

The High Middle Ages started around 1000, which was really the height of the Church's power evidenced by the early crusades, the founding of many Christian orders, plus the building of many churches and cathedrals across Europe. Plus, the Church revigorated interest in Greek and Roman classics, which is hardly a show of their stranglehold on education. The Renaissance didn't really kick in until the 1300's - towards the end of the High Middle Ages.

More like 1200s but okay. Either way what you are talking about was a direct result of more secular popes coming into power, this only goes to proove that the Church is closer to a dictatorship kind of government then any other. The position of the dictator becomes the position of the organization and most of the time the dictators were in it for personal power. The period you are talking about was like going from Stalin to Krushev, it was a warm spot the one that quickly disappeared, look at the Council of Trent in 1600s, the Church has authorized the Jesuits to torture.

We could also say that the lack of growth in the Dark Ages was because of the frequent civil war and divisions in the Frankish Kingdom(s), whom controlled most of Europe, the lack of trade around Italy, and the invasion of Western Europe by the Moors and by the Vikings. And we could also say that Europe was revitalized due to powerful kingdoms and empires rising out of the many, many smaller kingdoms, and the reflourishing trade and stabilization in Italy.

Yes, but they only were able to rise because they were able to break away from the church to a certain degree. Catholic church does not want things to change, if it was up to them we'd all be breaking our backs planting crops for their pleasure.