build orders?

[White Noise]

What are your guys's build orders?

[ArtOfProtoss]

Obviously it depends on the matchup. I'm a P player so...

PVP:

8 pylon
10 gateway

If the position is 6-9/vice versa or 12-13/vice versa then if he adds a second gate...

12 Gateway
13 Zealot
15 pylon

If the zealot chases my probe around, signifiying a slower/non-existant zeal rush...

Gas on sixteen and probes then a double pump of peons.

If it's anything but the earlier stated positions...

12 gas
16 or so cyb
19 Gateway

PVT:

I play this one pretty much by the book...

8 pylon
10 gate
12 gas
14 cyb
goon
robotics on 20

Unless it is either 12-3 (P 12 T 3) in which case I'll block his wallin, pump a zeal and try to get it into his base, cyb on 16, rob before goon.

or if I see double barrack in which case I double gate

PVZ:

If it's 12-3/vice versa or 6-9/vice versa I'll open with...

8 pylon
10 gate
12 gate
13 zealot
15 pylon
double pump of zealots

If it's any other position...

8 pylon
10 gate
12 gas
13 Zealot
15 pylon
18 cyb

and then I can either do stargate rush...

zeal, stargate (in a remote corner of your base), dragoon (helps cover your ramp and kill ovie so it's better than a third lot)

or you can play it conservative and citadel instead of stargate

I've got a bunch more but that's basically how I play it.

[Ntrik_]

might help for the race..

when I do marines + medic + fbat, I do..

8 supply
11 barrack
12 gas
13 barrack
14 supply
15 aca
16 barrack
17 barrack
18 supply

and so on, and just keep pumping those rines and medics from barrack.

[ArtOfProtoss]

Originally Posted by NtRik_

might help for the race..

when I do marines + medic + fbat, I do..

8 supply
11 barrack
12 gas
13 barrack
14 supply
15 aca
16 barrack
17 barrack
18 supply

and so on, and just keep pumping those rines and medics from barrack.

Just an observation, you're adding too many barracks way too fast. You should pump from two until you've got two firebats, two medics, and stim. Then you add more. Your pumps more constant that way and you can put pressure on zerg early.

[Renzokuken]

I just use one, can't be bothered to learn them all against all races.

7 Pylon
9 Gateway

And before the Gateway i've already scouted them out, so i go from there.

[Ntrik_]

Originally Posted by ArtOfProtoss

Just an observation, you're adding too many barracks way too fast. You should pump from two until you've got two firebats, two medics, and stim. Then you add more. Your pumps more constant that way and you can put pressure on zerg early.

I shall fix my errars.

[Wing Zero]

i dont use any build orders really

[ArtOfProtoss]

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

i dont use any build orders really

Well, a major problem of intermediate players is relying too much on build orders, however, you should have a strong opening to use against every race. Of course, by the time you expand so many different things could've happened you can't rely on a build order.

[White Noise]

ah thanks guys! My goal this month is to improve so i need to re-learn the basics and get it all down :fwink

[BD]Hobbit]

help a noobie out? wut do all the numbers mean? like 10 gateways, 12 zealots, 15 cy core?

[ArtOfProtoss]

It means supply. Look up in the right top corner of the screen and you will see this supply counter which lets you keep track of it.

[exobyte]

ZvT

9 extractor
cancel extractor after drone
12 hatch
11 pool
12 gas

Then I go into lurkerling from there

ZvP

No idea since I suck at ZvP.

ZvZ

hahahahhha there are no build orders in ZvZ.

[ArtOfProtoss]

Originally Posted by exobyte

ZvT

9 extractor
cancel extractor after drone
12 hatch
11 pool
12 gas

Then I go into lurkerling from there

ZvP

No idea since I suck at ZvP.

ZvZ

hahahahhha there are no build orders in ZvZ.

Of course there are build orders in ZvZ. They sometimes fluctuate depending on how many lings you need to hold your enemies lings so you can safely tech to muta, but basic opening should be memorized and situationally you should know when to start your lair, when/if you should add a spore colony or sunken colony and so on.

[exobyte]

Well I mean that I don't use specific build orders in ZvZ. I just try to get a feel for the tempo of the game. Of course I get to a Spire as soon as I can, unless I'm in a Hydralurk mood.

[ArtOfProtoss]

Originally Posted by exobyte

Well I mean that I don't use specific build orders in ZvZ. I just try to get a feel for the tempo of the game. Of course I get to a Spire as soon as I can, unless I'm in a Hydralurk mood.

Hydra/Lurk is not an effective ZVZ strategy. Why do all you guys love using it so much? Mutas are the bread and butter of the matchup.

[exobyte]

I dunno, sometimes I play some really bad people in pubbie games so I decide to do hydralurk. It really depends on the flow of the game. A handful of lurkers beat zerglings, a large enough group of hydras beat mutas. It's even better when I get a queen, I just ensnare their big clump of mutes and murder it, though that doesn't come up that often. But yeah, it's true, mutaling is easier to do since mutes and lings are a lot more mobile.

[Renzokuken]

Cookie cutter strategies like Mutaling are extremely repetitive and boring. Which is what makes me not so fond of melee SC.

[ArtOfProtoss]

You've got to learn to love the nuances of the game. To me, adding three gates before expanding PVT is like "Wow, crazy!"

[exobyte]

Also, don't stick to one race if you're getting bored of it. I don't think I can ever get bored of Zerg, but I play Terran every once in a while for fun.

[ArtOfProtoss]

I'm protoss only. I suppose I havn't switched because I used to be zerg and terran before that.