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08-24-2005, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Kaison One Hatcheries 3 units.. terran 1 unit per building.. uses more money.. cause more buildings... | Toss and terran will be maikng more than one gateway/barrack. While zerg can make more hatches, it costs him a drone screwing his eco.
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08-24-2005, 09:41 PM
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| zerg are great but one of their pet pieves are the overlords. we al know that a lot of zerg players always bunch their overlords together which o course have a nice air force could do a lot of damage to the zerg. but then again most of the time they keep them some place far from enemy lines so if they do attack they can't reach them very easily.
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08-30-2005, 12:20 AM
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| Zerg units are just too darn weak to win in money maps. The only thing comparable to terran and protoss' carriers and bcs is the ultralisk. Guardians are way too vulnerable to be a threat, considering how much they cost. Lings can be countered by firebats or zeal/archon/reaver.
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08-30-2005, 01:31 AM
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| then you go guards and devours with some scorges or whatever. that is a nice air force only problem is that the guard is very slow
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08-30-2005, 01:37 PM
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| Pretty much anything will beat that,too. Zerg NEEDS to OUTRESOURCE his opponent to win. Something he CANNOT do on money maps.
Maelstrom/storm plus toss air
Irradiate plus terran air
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08-31-2005, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by betaalpha5 then you go guards and devours with some scorges or whatever. that is a nice air force only problem is that the guard is very slow | Archons > Guards. Cheaper, too.
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08-31-2005, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Snagg Archons > Guards. Cheaper, too. | Guards > Archons. Much longer range. Guards will get alot of shots in before archs become a threat to guards.
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08-31-2005, 10:09 PM
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| What makes archons? Templars!! What do templars do? Storm!
This thread is done and is official. Zerg can't beat nothing on moneymaps like bgh.
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09-01-2005, 12:12 PM
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| Yes, I know storm owns guards, but you said archons > guards which is wrong. You do realize that it takes 2 storms to kill a guard, right? He can always spread them because they have incredible range. That's alot of storms and he can still pick off your temps.
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09-01-2005, 12:14 PM
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| Its actually Archons < Guards...
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09-01-2005, 01:26 PM
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| dont you think protoss would get something like few corsairs or scouts when they see you geting mutas? or guards?
and I think if it was like, 12 guards vs 12 archons, archons might win... but meh dunno, maybe with micro guards will | |
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09-01-2005, 02:44 PM
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| Archon will win, believe me, I know. | |
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09-01-2005, 02:55 PM
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| well... even thought it is almost impossible they could always broodling em
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09-01-2005, 03:13 PM
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| 12 archons beat 12 guardians. And to be fair, resources-wise. I'll pop in a templar or two.
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09-02-2005, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by betaalpha5 well... even thought it is almost impossible they could always broodling em | You can't broodling archons. Anyway, guards > archons. If you played a zerg who loses guards to archons then he needs to play better, period.
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09-02-2005, 11:57 AM
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| Omg Guards Will win.. They have the range.. advantage.. like 2-3 shots before the damn archon will get to the Guard
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09-02-2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaison Omg Guards Will win.. They have the range.. advantage.. like 2-3 shots before the damn archon will get to the Guard | yes, but their massive splash is just too much to handle sometimes in tight situations  | |
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09-02-2005, 03:59 PM
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| In my eyes.. Guards ownz teh archons.. | |
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09-02-2005, 06:32 PM
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| Enough of these opinions. I made a simple map of 10 archons vs 15 guardians. I spread out the guardians to simulate "micro". 5 archons died versus 15 guardians annihilated. www.boomspeed.com/jake/guardsvsarchons.rep
Owned.
BTW 500 minerals, 1500 gas was used for protoss team.
Compared to 2250 gas and 3000 gas used for the zerg team.
Yes you're right, guardians have range. But 5 archon hits kill 1 guardian. Versus approximately 18 hits to kill one archon.
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I got curious and see how far 10 archons could go.
10 mutas, 10 hydras, about 3 dozen zerglings, one ultralisk. www.boomspeed.com/jake/archonsvszerg.rep
3 archons were left. Again, I did not micro my archons. I let the ultralisk attack from the flank.
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09-02-2005, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Snagg Enough of these opinions. I made a simple map of 10 archons vs 15 guardians. I spread out the guardians to simulate "micro". 5 archons died versus 15 guardians annihilated. www.boomspeed.com/jake/guardsvsarchons.rep
Owned.
BTW 500 minerals, 1500 gas was used for protoss team.
Compared to 2250 gas and 3000 gas used for the zerg team.
Yes you're right, guardians have range. But 5 archon hits kill 1 guardian. Versus approximately 18 hits to kill one archon.
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I got curious and see how far 10 archons could go.
10 mutas, 10 hydras, about 3 dozen zerglings, one ultralisk. www.boomspeed.com/jake/archonsvszerg.rep
3 archons were left. Again, I did not micro my archons. I let the ultralisk attack from the flank. | Archons annihiliate zergs | |
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