Can you...

[Tupac Amaru Shakur]

Make a hybrid sorc to rush/mf in hell. Only being able to afford uniques and um rune and lower? Thats my current status atm. I havetn attempted rushing but i made a fire/ice sorc. Kills decently but people say u need to be fast in order to hell rush.

[Krovvy]

Well I did well with a made from scratch Blizzballer a few months ago, but it wasn't too easy.

I didn't rush though, I did MF runs and traded until I was able to afford items for a better character.

[Chris]

The thing about speed with Sorc is splash damage, and having a lot of it. I did an old OrbBaller (Frozen Orb + Fireball) and she dished out some good murder. And you can get the syns easy without too much murder to your skill points.

But this was back in 1.10. I think she can still do something in 1.11b.

[Johnny]

Originally Posted by Chris

The thing about speed with Sorc is splash damage, and having a lot of it. I did an old OrbBaller (Frozen Orb + Fireball) and she dished out some good murder. And you can get the syns easy without too much murder to your skill points.

But this was back in 1.10. I think she can still do something in 1.11b.

Rushing is (for the most part) about doing damage to a single enemy (andariel, coldworm, summoner, duriel, meph, etc). With that in mind, you could probably get away with a meteorb sorc with a decent merc. That is 3 different types of damage you're doing, and hopefully you won't run into any fire/cold immune stone skin monsters around. Through the first half of a difficulty, sorcs are faster rushers than hdins, as long as they have infinity mercs.

Save up to buy an infinity, with an infinity, sorcs have a much more equal playing field. I didn't know if I should get an infinity for my sorc's merc, and it was the best investment I ever made.

[Laharl]

Sorry to disagree guys, but if you really want an MFer or rusher don't even make a sorc.

Make a hammerdin.

[Johnny]

Originally Posted by Laharl

Sorry to disagree guys, but if you really want an MFer or rusher don't even make a sorc.

Make a hammerdin.

Hammerdins are really ineffective with no gear, in case you didn't know that.

We aren't even talking about mfing anyways, way to derail the thread.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Johnny

hopefully you won't run into any fire/cold immune stone skin monsters around

That is only a problem if the monster has 33% resist all at the start. Stone skin adds 80% Phys resist, and CE FE adds 75% to thier respected elements. The only real threat here is if its MR/CE/FE: Then your sorceress is basically useless. And you better hope then your Merc can take them on, or someone traveling with you is a Vengadin (Vengeance + Conviction).

And besides, Hammerdins suck in corridor battles. Since the hammer stops dead when it hits a wall, the only reason its damage is decent is because there are no items that protect you from Magic Damage or Apply Magic Resistance. And the only 2 non-Tristram monsters that are immune to magic still take damage from it (since tbey are both Undead). They are bad MFers as well.

[Johnny]

Most sorcs already have an infinity merc to give them conviction anyways. The only thing you would need to worry about are physical immune + your sorc's type immune that is unbreakable with conviction.

The only monsters that are immune to the hammer's 'special' magic damage are magic immune 'animal' type monsters in act 3. The best thing about hammerdins right now are their ability to uber trist. You can simply spin hammers in a single spot for about a half hour and can get a leecher to level 80~.

[Krovvy]

Hammerdins are super expensive and kind of boring IMHO.

[Chris]

And take no real skill.

Conviction is 1/4 effective against immunities. I have noticed Vampires (The Banished -> Blood Lords) can't have thier cold immune broken easily. I even had a level 15 Conviction and it wasn't enough.

[Krovvy]

Another favorite of mine is the Necromancer or Assassin. The Necromancer is cheap and effective, and the Assassin is different and very fun!

[Johnny]

Originally Posted by Chris

And take no real skill.

Conviction is 1/4 effective against immunities. I have noticed Vampires (The Banished -> Blood Lords) can't have thier cold immune broken easily. I even had a level 15 Conviction and it wasn't enough.

Its 1/5 effective when breaking immunites. With a level 15 conviction, you'd lower their immunities by 20% (instead of 100%).

Name-Cold Res.
The Banished-150
Ghoul Lord-110
Night Lord-120
Dark Lord-130
Blood Lord-140

By my understanding of the way conviction works, the only monster that you can break is the ghoul lord.

[Tupac Amaru Shakur]

great ideas guys ty i figured that i could only hell rush with infinity but i learend the hard way sorcs are best for mfing

[Tupac Amaru Shakur]

Now for my next question Which dishes out more damage? Fireball or orb. Synergies maxed? I'm not worried about best to use b cuz of immunities i want to know which has the most raw power.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Johnny

Its 1/5 effective when breaking immunites. With a level 15 conviction, you'd lower their immunities by 20% (instead of 100%).

Name-Cold Res.
The Banished-150
Ghoul Lord-110
Night Lord-120
Dark Lord-130
Blood Lord-140

By my understanding of the way conviction works, the only monster that you can break is the ghoul lord.

And thats a monster that only appears in Arcane and some tomb rerolls. But although that immunity is not removed, the others suffer (Lightning and Fire), which if high enough, can still spell doom to the target.

This rule also makes Lower Resist not as effective as it seems, especailly since it levels off, and a lot of the undead or poisonous creates are immune to poison, like Mummies and Venom Lords in NM.

Originally Posted by Tupac

Now for my next question Which dishes out more damage? Fireball or orb. Synergies maxed? I'm not worried about best to use b cuz of immunities i want to know which has the most raw power.

Fireball can be shot fast, has more syns, its mastery increases fire damage. However, it's radius is tiny.
Orb has only one syn, has a larger radius of damage capability, and its mastery drops cold resistance of enemy, which is calculated after damage is done.

[CelestialBadger]

Sorry to disagree guys, but if you really want an MFer or rusher don't even make a sorc.

Make a hammerdin.

Man, that would have been amazing advice if he weren't asking about making a sorc. You were so close on that one.

[Johnny]

Originally Posted by CelestialBadger

Man, that would have been amazing advice if he weren't asking about making a sorc. You were so close on that one.

Beaten by 10 days.

[CelestialBadger]

I don't read that ****. Once I see someone to attack, I skip to the end and move in for the kill.