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11-02-2004, 07:11 PM
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| Grumpy Old Grandpa
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portugal Age: 23 Posts: 9,990
| Tell me if this is worth my money (1x)Caixa MidTower 4JA209/U2F ATX/USB Black c/Term
(1x)Board Asus P5P800 Intel865 SKT-775 AGP8X ATX
(1x)CPU Intel P4 530 3.0Ghz SKT-775 1MB Cache Box
(2x)DIMM 512Mb DDRAM PC400 Samsung/Kingston
(1x)VGA ATI Radeon 9600XT 256Mb DDR TV-OUT
(1x)HD Seagate SATA 120GB 7200rpm
(1x)Floppy Samsung 3 1/2" 1.44Mb
(1x)DVD+/-RW Samsung 16X Dual Layer TS-H552 Black
(1x)Keyboard Samsung SWT-1000 Black
(1x)Mouse Samsung Optical Wheel PS/2 Black
(1x)Screen Hyunday CRT19" Silver/Black
(1x)Sound Card Creative SB Live 5.1 Bulk (I'm not using any kind of very advance columns, am actually thinking off using headphones, so I don't require any huge card)
(1x)Logitech-oem Colummns 2w RMS Stereo
(1x)Net Card (translated from portuguese, might not be the name) Level One 10/100Mbps PCI
Price = €1,170.66 = US$ 1,484.81 = CAD$ 1,821.75
So, whaddya think? --Edit--
Going to use it for online gaming, mainly, with a 1 Mb divided by 3, in a network of 3 computers, of which this one may be the head machine, later on. --2nd Edit--
Note that all of the above are imported products. So it may seem expensive. And the American price may not be correct, as I used an Internet site. The Euro price is correct, though.
Last edited by TrongaMonga; 11-02-2004 at 07:29 PM.
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11-02-2004, 07:28 PM
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| As I said on IM, it'd be a lot cheaper if you got it in the States, but considering what you're getting for that price, it'll be a kickass machine, and the markup isn't that bad. --- EDIT ---
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11-02-2004, 07:31 PM
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| Grumpy Old Grandpa
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portugal Age: 23 Posts: 9,990
| As I said in IM, I edited it saying that everything's imported...
Well, I suppose this is pricy for you Ameriques, but it really isn't here, not at all. For the specs it has, it's an awesome price.
Now I gotta convince my father... Am willing to give around half, me. |
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11-02-2004, 10:26 PM
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| I agree with Proxie on the prosessor..AMD 64 blows even the P4 3.2ghz...and on my rig i use tha ASUS KV8 Deluxe, with 3x 512 sticks of ram...i would reccomend that if you can afford it |
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11-02-2004, 11:38 PM
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| its all preference, some people prefer intel some like amd. AMD's generally produce more heat so if you got good cooling it shouldnt be a problem.
And to save you some money, you dont need to buy a lan card it has integrated.
And to save you even more money in the future... WAIT till PCI Express gets cheaper and THEN get a new system. Becuase AGP is dieing slowly and PCI express graphics cards will be around for along time. If you wait like half a year you'll be amazed at what you can save or how much faster the parts are going to get  |
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11-03-2004, 12:17 AM
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| another incentive for amd is that it has more processing power (not just 64, but in general) and in general is cheaper than pentium |
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11-03-2004, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ProXie Instead of the Intel 3.0, I would go with an AMD 64 2800+. You can stick that with one of the socket 754 ( I believe ) DFI LanParty motherboards. | I disagree. 754 is weak. They already have 939 counterparts. (3000+ and above though). Quote: |
Originally Posted by I Hate Trap assns I agree with Proxie on the prosessor..AMD 64 blows even the P4 3.2ghz...and on my rig i use tha ASUS KV8 Deluxe, with 3x 512 sticks of ram...i would reccomend that if you can afford it | I disagree with this too. The Prescott 775 blows all the old AMD 754 chips away (except for the 3400+ and 3700+). If you want ownage, pair up the AMD s939 against the Prescotts. Quote: |
Originally Posted by I Hate Trap assns another incentive for amd is that it has more processing power (not just 64, but in general) and in general is cheaper than pentium | They're quite even in cost actually. AMD's 64-bit technology is what evened up the price. (only talking about the 939s)
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11-03-2004, 01:10 AM
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| I would go for a better graphics card, and if you plan to switch to AMD please go 939 since AMD is trying to make it mainstream. Another thing, nVidia has out a 6600GT for both AGP, and PCI-E which I've heard that both hit the performance of around a 9800XT for only 200$(both the PCI-E and the AGP version I think). IF your going Intel... I would suggest not geting a prescott as they run hot and arn't favorable to overclockers.
Also, the mouse should be a MX510(45$) if you play FPS games, and a good mousepad would help such as the Black Icemat(35$) or the S&S Mousepad(35$). More things you could change to save money... kill getting a new monitor/keyboard/speakers. Unless you monitor has really really bad refresh rates, its not needed. A keyboard.... is a keyboard, and if you play first person shooters, you might as well forget speakers unless you play only single player games.(You will need/use a headset more)
Other things that might interest you:
Get a good PS
Get a few good fans and a good heatsink/fan combo
Get AS5
More things to save money: Save case, Drives, and get a motherboard with built in sound/ethernet.
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11-03-2004, 01:13 AM
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| Is their a 64bit release of windows xp?
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11-03-2004, 01:22 AM
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| Grumpy Old Grandpa
Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Portugal Age: 23 Posts: 9,990
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Originally Posted by TwistedRat I would go for a better graphics card, and if you plan to switch to AMD please go 939 since AMD is trying to make it mainstream. Another thing, nVidia has out a 6600GT for both AGP, and PCI-E which I've heard that both hit the performance of around a 9800XT for only 200$(both the PCI-E and the AGP version I think). IF your going Intel... I would suggest not geting a prescott as they run hot and arn't favorable to overclockers. | Now, I'm not considering to switch for AMD, anyway. Besides, those 200$ are in America. Must be around 300 or more overhere Quote: |
Also, the mouse should be a MX510(45$) if you play FPS games, and a good mousepad would help such as the Black Icemat(35$) or the S&S Mousepad(35$). More things you could change to save money... kill getting a new monitor/keyboard/speakers. Unless you monitor has really really bad refresh rates, its not needed. A keyboard.... is a keyboard, and if you play first person shooters, you might as well forget speakers unless you play only single player games.(You will need/use a headset more)
| I'm going to have columns because I'm going to use it and let friends use it as well, while I am watching them playing games. So, I also want them/me to hear the game  And this is a new brand computer, I don't have any other computer that I can get parts of... And FPS is not what I'm thinking to play, I think. Quote:
Other things that might interest you:
Get a good PS
Get a few good fans and a good heatsink/fan combo
Get AS5
| Erm... Please translate
And thanks a lot you all who helped. I am not a computer expert, so, there's no need to build a uber computer with some weird specs I'll never understand. And I'm counting to use this for 2 years or so. Again, thank you all. I think I'll get it as it is, because I'm not asking for a complex comp. Just something that works. |
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11-03-2004, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TrongaMonga Erm... Please translate  | PS= Power Supply
Since you need this computer for another 2 years.. I would go for a 400W~ PS from either Sparkle or Antec.
AS5= Artic Silver 5
This is a thermal paste used for overclocking. It keeps the CPU nice and cool, and only costs 5-10$.
Fans + Heatsink + Fan
Alright... if you want to overclock you'll need a cold PC. You'll want a good heat sink that sits on the CPU with a good fan. Also, you'll want more fans around the case for good airflow.
EDIT: About the video card. If you want this to last for another 2 years, you will need something better. If you want to stay current get a PCI-E card, but be warned that the motherboards for them are still very new and probaly arn't the best.
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11-03-2004, 08:10 AM
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| Like he said, his gaming practices aren't that hardcore, and the 9600 can play pretty nicely.
Never forget, our software is almost ALWAYS going to be about 2 years behind our hardware, which is why I can play games at full detail on my Geforce 2 (even though I only get DX7 features), but still. As long as he has DX9, he can play any game on the market almost solidly, pending on how he has configured his machine.
And for the processor...price is still no comparison right now, I don't care how much the 64 have gone down. I'm not paying that much money for a chip built for something that I can't possess (64-bit applications).
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11-03-2004, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedRat IF your going Intel... I would suggest not geting a prescott as they run hot and arn't favorable to overclockers. | The 775 Prescott is a huge improvement over the 478 Prescott.
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11-03-2004, 04:44 PM
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| Unless you actually know what you are doing with air cooling .gif) I swear...some people horribly underestimate the AWESOME power of using air...It's cheap, easy, and works almost as good in most circumstances if you know what you are doing. I've had a friend overclock his 3.0 to either a 3.6 or a 4.2...it was somewhere in that margin, all fan cooling, ran stable at 28C, which is better than MY processor runs and I keep mine clocked at stock.
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11-06-2004, 03:20 PM
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| For that you could almost get a g5. I don't think it's worth your money |
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11-06-2004, 03:47 PM
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| If that American price is correct, then it isn't worth it. You could get an even better machine for even cheaper here in the US. But I suppose since that isn't an option, and that seems reasonable to you, go for it.
Convincing the father is always a problem. =/ |
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