Another bizarre Malaysian proposal

[B~E]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

1) Adultery is punished by lashes in various Islamic states
2) Some countries punish by Islamic law over what seems to be common sense, which is a shame
3) This has nothing to do with Islam

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This is perfectly in tune with a broader patern of religiously-sanctioned islamic social norms which have for objective the infantilisation and subjugation of women.

Actualy, Malaysia is pretty out there when it comes to religious retardness. Rejected appeals to practice the religion of your choice, the banning of Jesus during Christmas, the stealing by islamic authorities of babies who are raised by "infidels", the censorship of newspapers who "dared" to reprint the Mohamed Cartoons, the Malaysian Islamic Development Department calling a crackdown on apostates, heck, the segregation of women and men in different lines in the supermarket.

Why is Malaysia brought up as an exemple of a modern civilized islamic country, I wonder.

[Laharl]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Is it fascism or protectionist?

I tend to think it's the former but there are those who think it is the latter.*

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Also, thanks for those news article links B~E.

[B~E]

And more news from modern, secular Malaysia.

Malaysia Islamist party pushes for sharia penalties

By Niluksi Koswanage

KAMPUNG PULAU MELAKA, Malaysia (Reuters) - A leader of Malaysia's Islamist party, which made surprising gains in March elections, wants its secular allies to apply strict sharia law, which include amputations and stonings for Muslims.

The hardline Parti Islam se-Malaysia (PAS) has enacted such laws in its Kelantan stronghold to punish rapists and adulterers with stoning to death, while thieves would lose their limbs.

However, the country's Federal government has barred PAS from enforcing the laws.

PAS and other opposition parties wrested control of five of Malaysia's 13 states in the March election as voters punished the ruling coalition for concerns ranging from rising crime to racial tensions.

But analysts have said it would be tough for PAS to broaden its appeal due to its advocacy of the punishments called for by strict Muslim religious law, known as sharia or hudud, which scare off non-Muslims who see the party as a fundamentalist clique.

"Islam is a moderate, soft religion," PAS spiritual leader Nik Aziz Nik Mat told Reuters late last week in the northeastern state of Kelantan, the party's stronghold for the past 18 years.

"We took small steps to introduce Islam as a way of life in Kelantan. We would like to do the same in the other states that have fallen to the opposition."

Half of Malaysia's 26 million people are ethnic Malays, who by definition are Muslims. Ethnic Chinese and Indians, the largest two minority groups, are either Hindus, Buddhists or Christians.

[Laharl]

When do they implement the standard "IF YOU AREN'T MUSLIM YOU FREAKING DIE" law?

[Vadriel]

That one's off the books, but understood.

[x42bn6]

Originally Posted by Laharl

When do they implement the standard "IF YOU AREN'T MUSLIM YOU FREAKING DIE" law?

Never. When Muhammad was headman (for lack of a better word) of a village with a mixed religious population, he allowed them to live peacefully with Muslims. And this is, after all, the religion that acknowledges the presence of other religious figures, such as Jesus (Isa).*

[Vadriel]

Islam is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism. Extensions of one another.

I love how intolerant both cultures really are, but how much they pretend to be all about everyone else.

"SLAY THE INFIDEL DOGS, but peace unto all."

[x42bn6]

Do we not subliminally reject some things?

Do we not wish some things were destroyed or better off dead?*

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Do we not subliminally reject some things?

Do we not wish some things were destroyed or better off dead?*

Do we not wish to speak, worship, and all together act freely?

[Emperor Pan I]

Originally Posted by Elysium

its taking away the freedom of privacy of them so the suits know what they can do when theyre away, or so they say to ''prevent drugs trafficing''. you shouldnt have to tell them what the hell youre up to, it has nothing to do with them. and what would happen if it wasnt possible to get such a letter from parent or employer? stuck there.

i must be missing something, cos that sounds pretty ****ing fascist to me man..

You clearly have an aborted understanding of what facism is. Probably learned the word from some hippie left wing dip**** who considers any sort of authority as facism.

Facism == Authoritarianism, but Authoritarianism != Facism

[Elysium]

coming from somebody who probably learnt what it meant by some right wing dip**** who considers any sort of preservation of freedom as criminal activity. yeah, that works both ways. nice one.

[Vadriel]

I always equated fascism with soldiers on the corners of the streets saying "do this or get shot, bizitch."

[CelestialBadger]

wait, I'm confused, what does malaysia have to do with anything?

[x42bn6]

Nothing, of course.



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[B~E]

Originally Posted by x42bn6

Never. When Muhammad was headman (for lack of a better word) of a village with a mixed religious population, he allowed them to live peacefully with Muslims. And this is, after all, the religion that acknowledges the presence of other religious figures, such as Jesus (Isa).*

-Living as a religious minority under muslim rule is only possible under a policy of systemic discrimination, where religious minorities can't build new worship places (churches, synagogues), can't repair the old ones, cant spread peacefully their religion, can't display religous symboles or any religious affiliation at all, and where their only right is to give up their religion and convert to Islam.

Even if the statut of dhimmi was socialy progressive 1400 years ago, its unsettling when people, today, try to pass it up as a modern expresion of religious tolerance.

- They acknowledges the existence of Jesus.... as a muslim figure, who's going to come back at the end of times to say that he wasnt really the son of God , that he was never really crucified, that he was never resurected, and that it was all just a big prank all along. I doubt a lot of Christians agree with this "interpretation" of the figure of Jesus. This appropriation by Islam isnt suprising, from a religion that conquered so many christian territories. Those christians who had been conquered had to be governed and eventualy converted eventualy.

Originally Posted by Vadriel

Islam is to Christianity as Christianity is to Judaism. Extensions of one another.

I love how intolerant both cultures really are, but how much they pretend to be all about everyone else.

"SLAY THE INFIDEL DOGS, but peace unto all."

Moral equivalency alert! So all religion are equaly intolerant and violent, eh? Thats why in the Bible there is not a single line that justify violence, while in the Koran, you can find plenty. Thats why Christianity isnt seriously invoqued to legitimise violence and conquest, while Islam is still usefull to justify blowing yourself in a bus full of british citizens.

[CelestialBadger]

Thats why in the Bible there is not a single line that justify violence

what?

[B~E]

Exactly.