A fatal blow to the republicans?

[Johnny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSNcG7jt6Wo

Without the hammah supporting the war, I don't know how they expect to win.

[Krovvy]

Ron Paul is running as a republican candidate, and doesn't support the war or aggressive foreign policies.

[Bret]

First he raps, good job, now run back home with your tail between your legs.
I know a lot of guys who want to be there (Iraq) trying to make a difference. "Bring Them Home" is an insult to them. They want to finish the job, and not leave it a mess like it is now. I guess leaving things a mess IS the AMerican way.

Flower Power died in the early 70's. And According to American Eagle, no, peace is not back by popular demand.

[Krovvy]

I know even more citizens that are financing the war that doesn't, but that's not the point. Do you have any facts that support Iraq would fall into a civil war or would generally be worse if we weren't there? Korea turned around, although not exactly the same type of war, it's still valid.

Even if you had, why should we fix their problems. We've "liberated" Iraq, gave them "freedom", and now it's time for us to leave. If they're not fighting to protect their country, why should we? Especially when we're fighting a policeman's battle, this isn't a true "war" with clear sides.

My family is extremely militarized, many have fought in past wars (Korea, Vietnam), and current (Iraq). For the most part, they don't agree with the war, one strongly does. I really can't speak for all of them, but from what I've gathered, it's not a just war in their eyes.

(Note: Many of my family members were together for my grandfather's funereal, otherwise I don't see them, this is how I know their opinions.)

[N[U]TS]

Originally Posted by Beck

Even if you had, why should we fix their problems. We've "liberated" Iraq, gave them "freedom", and now it's time for us to leave. If they're not fighting to protect their country, why should we? Especially when we're fighting a policeman's battle, this isn't a true "war" with clear sides.

It never was a war to begin with for the fact congress never declaired it. It still makes me wonder to this day why everyone says its a war. If we were to leave now, extremist would more than likely take over the democratic goverment we have established. I hear from the news that the Iraq army is becoming more and more established from our training. Hopefully in a few months we can pull most of our troops out and allow the Iraq army to handle their country.

[SouLess]

Oh no politics!

[Гражданин СССР]

Originally Posted by N[u]TS

It never was a war to begin with for the fact congress never declaired it. It still makes me wonder to this day why everyone says its a war. If we were to leave now, extremist would more than likely take over the democratic goverment we have established. I hear from the news that the Iraq army is becoming more and more established from our training. Hopefully in a few months we can pull most of our troops out and allow the Iraq army to handle their country.

Eh...they voted on it after Bush used the massive spread panic of 9/11 to cloud their judgment and make them do what he wanted. Also I don't know about you but invading a country and forcefully removing its leadership in my books is an act of war. Democratic gov't? You do realize that your "democratic" gov't didn't do anything except switch the religious sect in power, there is still prosecution against the other sect, you're not getting rid off the Shiate-Sunni conflict with just a serious of **** ups and an agenda of establishing a US friendly state. US has no choice but to leave, the war is too costly in lives and money as it is, there is a clear parallel here between Soviet war in Afghanistan and US war in Iraq. And nobody actually believes the bull**** about Iraqie army getting better, if the US forces can't stabilize the country then you think that much less trained, poorly equipped Iraqie troops would? Once US finally pulls out (the only smart thing to do at this point) its gonna be another all out bloodbath of which the Middle East has seen many a lot of fingers are gonna be pointed at US, a lot of fingers.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by Гражданин СССР

Also I don't know about you but invading a country and forcefully removing its leadership in my books is an act of war.

In my book, it is an abuse of executive power because the Constitution states that only Congress has the power to declare war and no declaration of war was ever passed. Ron Paul actually tried to get Congress to declare war on Iraq so that the Constitution would be upheld, however it never went through.

[little-cheeze]

i still think they can win with iraq