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12-10-2006, 11:44 PM
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| I don't get when your solution set is all R, {}, (-x,x), (-infinity,-x)U(x,infinity). This is for inequalities btw.
For example.
x<11 x>-11
Choose the solution set
A.(-11,11)
B.(-infinity,-11)U(11,infinity).
C. [-11,11]
D. (-infinity,-x]U[x,infinity).
E. R
F. {}
I don't get problems like these. Obvious C+D are eliminated because there are no blahblah-or equal to. So that leaves A, B, E, F. I know R means ALL REAL NUMBERS, but it there can't be 11 or -11, right? So R could only be used if it was greater/lesser than or equal to, right? I have no idea what {} is or anything at all. A is just a coordinate to me, I don't understand how it could be a viable option then B, I don't know.
Help. Nevermind. I think I got it. R means all Real numbers inbetween and {} means no solutions.Yeah!?
But when are
A.(-11,11)
B.(-infinity,-11)U(11,infinity).
Used?
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12-11-2006, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jenny! I don't get when your solution set is all R, {}, (-x,x), (-infinity,-x)U(x,infinity). This is for inequalities btw.
For example.
x<11 x>-11
Choose the solution set
A.(-11,11)
B.(-infinity,-11)U(11,infinity).
C. [-11,11]
D. (-infinity,-x]U[x,infinity).
E. R
F. {}
I don't get problems like these. Obvious C+D are eliminated because there are no blahblah-or equal to. So that leaves A, B, E, F. I know R means ALL REAL NUMBERS, but it there can't be 11 or -11, right? So R could only be used if it was greater/lesser than or equal to, right? I have no idea what {} is or anything at all. A is just a coordinate to me, I don't understand how it could be a viable option then B, I don't know.
Help. Nevermind. I think I got it. R means all Real numbers inbetween and {} means no solutions.Yeah!?
But when are
A.(-11,11)
B.(-infinity,-11)U(11,infinity).
Used? | Yes. I think you should be familiar with set notation: {} is quite bad notation because one can interpret this as a set with a space in it, so you get the o with a line through it (empty set; nullity). R is the set of all real numbers (in one dimension).
There are no doubt equations with solution set (-11,11). For example, -11<x<11. As for (-infinity,-11)U(11,infinity), you can easily use x<-11, x>11 (making the answer B).
Why is it not D? D includes the values -11 and 11, which is not in your question. D would be the solution set of x<=-11, x>=11.*
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12-11-2006, 12:41 AM
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12-11-2006, 12:42 AM
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12-11-2006, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by x42bn6 Yes. I think you should be familiar with set notation: {} is quite bad notation because one can interpret this as a set with a space in it, so you get the o with a line through it (empty set; nullity). R is the set of all real numbers (in one dimension).
There are no doubt equations with solution set (-11,11). For example, -11<x<11. As for (-infinity,-11)U(11,infinity), you can easily use x<-11, x>11 (making the answer B).
Why is it not D? D includes the values -11 and 11, which is not in your question. D would be the solution set of x<=-11, x>=11.* | The answer was E. I understand {} and R, but I guess (-11,11) could only be the answer if the equality/inequality is one long strain like you made? How can you have the equation x<=-11, x>=11? The next problem was set up like this granted w/o the same numbers and the answer was F. I also got it because I assumed {} meant it was an incorrect equality/inequality because I don't see how you can have a number thats equal/less than -11 but STILL greater than 11.
Like I said. D is eliminated because it includes them. I know <'s >'s never use []'s but <=, >= do. |
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12-11-2006, 07:44 AM
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| actually, it's A, I think you read your greater than/less than signs backwards x42. hmm wait are the x<11 and x>-11 supposed to be two separate conditions? I don't really see what's going on... msut be too late for me...
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12-11-2006, 07:51 AM
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12-11-2006, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Jenny! The answer was E. I understand {} and R, but I guess (-11,11) could only be the answer if the equality/inequality is one long strain like you made? How can you have the equation x<=-11, x>=11? The next problem was set up like this granted w/o the same numbers and the answer was F. I also got it because I assumed {} meant it was an incorrect equality/inequality because I don't see how you can have a number thats equal/less than -11 but STILL greater than 11.
Like I said. D is eliminated because it includes them. I know <'s >'s never use []'s but <=, >= do. | It cannot be E: The solution set from your question does not include the value 1, for example, but R does...
I think you know that [ and ] mean to include the upper/lower bound in the set. However, (-11,11) cannot be the answer irregardless of the notation because this is the set of all real numbers from -11 to 11 exclusive, which is almost the compliment of the question's requirement.
As for x<=-11, x>=11, you asked for a scenario and I gave you one.*
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12-11-2006, 11:53 AM
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| ]-∞,-1] V ]1,+∞[, that's how I represent intervals...
This one goes from -∞, open, since it's undefined, to -1 closed, and then from 1 open (1 is not part of the interval), to +∞, also open since it's undefined.
Meaning, that interval is |R except the interval starting in the first infinitesimal point at right of -1 to 1, included.
How do you folks define that? |
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12-11-2006, 01:57 PM
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| I assume we can close ∞ and write [-∞,x] - it makes no real difference since ∞ is undefined - so (∞ and [∞ are really just a formality.
What I am bothered with is the fact that the solution is the following: Code: <-----------O O----------->
-∞ ... -12 -11 -10 ... 0 ... +10 +11 +12 ... +∞ Where the O is a non-filled circle, meaning the lower- and upper-bounds are not included. This cannot be R!*
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12-11-2006, 03:56 PM
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| it's not B, you're reading the signs backwards. The first one says less than 11, the second one says greater than negative eleven, thus it is between -11 and 11. (-11,11). Looking at it this morning it turns out the answer is actually A. It can't be E because that implies it is all real numbers, and regardless of the interval in question we know it can't be -11 or 11. Since both conditions are separate, we know x is both greater than -11 and less than 11, and assuming this is the same x we're talking about... which it must be in this question, we can re-write this as -11<x<11, making the answer A.
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12-11-2006, 04:19 PM
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| I feel unbelievably stupid now. 
However, that doesn't explain why the answer is E... But yeah, the answer is A then.*
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12-11-2006, 07:54 PM
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| Yeah. It is A. I think I ended up PICKING E and getting it wrong and misread the correction. WHOOPS!
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12-11-2006, 08:01 PM
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| The values aren't included... the answer is C
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12-11-2006, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by White and Nerdy The values aren't included... the answer is C | Wrong. The only time you use [ ]'s is if it is <= and/or >=. |
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12-11-2006, 09:31 PM
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| [ looks a lot more closed than (.*
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12-13-2006, 03:13 AM
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12-13-2006, 02:47 PM
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12-14-2006, 07:53 AM
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| LOL....here is the answer guys...veryyyy simple...liks loler coasterzzz said
I am sure it is A!
Separate the question into 2 parts
X<11
and
x>-11
thus x must be between -11 and 11 right? AND x can not be 11 or -11 because of the greater and lesser signs(they are ≥ or ≤...which mean greater/less or equal!)...
The only answer that fits this is A...(-11,11)
The parenthesis denotes that the 11 and -11 are not included...a bracket would mean that the number adjacent to it is included...x42 read the signs backwards it seems...
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12-14-2006, 12:05 PM
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