South Ossetia-Georgian war - Page 6

Uncle_Vanya · 08-11-2008, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by pablobotin

You who defend Russia's Position, I have to ask you frankly: Are you silly?

No we just operate in the area of facts not misplaced emotions and illogical ramblings like you.

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How can clever people can think that Georgia has provoked Russia about what was going on in South Ossetia (The pretended death of a few " Peacekeepers", who actually were Russian military units that were operating in the aerea illegally).

Russian peace keepers were in South Ossetia legally for the past 14 years according to treaties signed between South Ossetia and Georgia after the first war. Saakashvilli is a mad man, he expected Russia to fold in, Russia did not, he got what he deserved for his aggression.

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Since you lack of Brains I have to remind you the different military and political forces that have the two states we're talking about:

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: None
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: None
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Very Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: It's main ressources come from Tourism and pipeline's taxes.

Georgia has aircraft, we've shot down several Georgian Su-25s over the past few days, as well as their UAVs. You're disregarding facts, the fact is that Georgia planned and carried out the offensive operation against South Ossetia, Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers without provocation, Georgia once again began an ethnic cleansing campaign in South Ossetia. Those are facts, they are not open for debate they are set in stone.

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DON'T BE SILLY!

How can you be so Nationalist and fascists you Russian people? it's objective Data taken from the UN website.

What objective data? You haven't shown me any objective or non objective data.

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OUT THERE THOUSANDS OF GEORGIANS ARE BEEN KILLED BY THE ALLMIGTHY RUSSIAN MILITARY MACHINE, WHILE WE'RE JUST TRYING IN THIS FORUM TO TEACHA BIT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND GEOGRAPHY TO SOME (BLIND) RUSSIAN CITIZENS.

You know nothing of international law, that is clear, you're yet to say anything on the matters of geography. Georgia deserves what it is getting, it is the aggressor it will pay. Georgian soldiers shot civilians in South Ossetia, beheaded innocent people, burned down houses with people inside them, Georgian bastards must pay. And what thousands are you talking about? Georgians killed 2000 South Ossetians with their constant shelling of Tshinvalli, there are 300 Georgians dead so far, 200 of them soldiers.

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What only justifies this war, strategically speaking is that Russia wants to keep the control of the oil and gas pipelines that go from azerbaijan to Europe in order to have the monopoly of the transportation to Europe of those ressources.

What justifies this war is that Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers and killed 2000 Russian citizens in Tskhinvalli. The reports made by Georgia that Russia bombed the Georgian pipeline have been refuted by British Petroleum. Here:

BP Said Russia’s Jets Didn’t Attack Oil Pipeline in Georgia - Kommersant Moscow

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I INSIST IN TRYING TO RAISE A LITTLE HUMAN FORCE TO GO TO GEORGIA IN 20 DAYS IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS ARE WITH OUR FRIENDS, GEORGIAN PEOPLE THOUGH OBVIOUSLY OUR PARTICIPATION WON'TCHANGE THE RESULTS OF THE FIGHT;

I hope you die there, I truly do, one less moron walking around is better for human kind.

kocten · 08-11-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pablobotin

You who defend Russia's Position, I have to ask you frankly: Are you silly?

How can clever people can think that Georgia has provoked Russia about what was going on in South Ossetia (The pretended death of a few " Peacekeepers", who actually were Russian military units that were operating in the aerea illegally).

Since you lack of Brains I have to remind you the different military and political forces that have the two states we're talking about:

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: None
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: None
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Very Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: It's main ressources come from Tourism and pipeline's taxes.

DON'T BE SILLY!

How can you be so Nationalist and fascists you Russian people? it's objective Data taken from the UN website.

OUT THERE THOUSANDS OF GEORGIANS ARE BEEN KILLED BY THE ALLMIGTHY RUSSIAN MILITARY MACHINE, WHILE WE'RE JUST TRYING IN THIS FORUM TO TEACHA BIT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND GEOGRAPHY TO SOME (BLIND) RUSSIAN CITIZENS.

What only justifies this war, strategically speaking is that Russia wants to keep the control of the oil and gas pipelines that go from azerbaijan to Europe in order to have the monopoly of the transportation to Europe of those ressources.

I INSIST IN TRYING TO RAISE A LITTLE HUMAN FORCE TO GO TO GEORGIA IN 20 DAYS IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS ARE WITH OUR FRIENDS, GEORGIAN PEOPLE THOUGH OBVIOUSLY OUR PARTICIPATION WON'TCHANGE THE RESULTS OF THE FIGHT;

Here are my contact data:

Pablo Botin
paulopezsabi@hotmail.com
International Law Student at the Sorbonne University (Paris)

Trying to offend us - you offend itself. Russians never differed foolishness.
You mentioned facts, they are truthful, but you do not understand that it is a not desire of people, it is a not desire of people of Georgia, it is a desire of a few persons, I talk about the government of Georgia and about the president of Georgia. They fill this itself pockets, a money earn on death of children.
To tamu you do not know that Georgia after poslednii of 3 expended in an armament a more money what on peaceful life. Did purchase tanks more than built houses, why it to the peaceful state?
And this at that to this president Russia and Georgia tendon of hundred years in the world. The last war between Russia and Georgia was 300 years ago. Then the USA was not as early as a project.

Uncle_Vanya · 08-11-2008, 12:56 PM

As for international law, must I remind you how the west violated it in Kosovo?

kocten · 08-11-2008, 12:57 PM

And yet slightly will remedy Your information

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: mimnimum 22 fight aircrafts
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: Tourism there in a trace is not present and it was not, and profits mainly from a pipeline and sposirovanie France, Germany and USA

pablobotin · 08-11-2008, 12:59 PM

GEORGIA DIDN'T ATTACK SOUTH OSSETIA (It's really amusing to me to explain adults these things but somebody has to do it), SINCE SOUTH OSSETIA IS PART OF GEORGIA'S TERRITORY.

RUSSIA IN ITS HISTORY HAS SENT ITS TROOPS TO MANY AREAS OF ITS TERRITORY,(CHCHNYA, for instances) AND I GUESS YOU THOUGHT RUSSIA HAD THE RIGHT TO DO SO IN ORDER TO RESTABLISH ITS CONTROL OVER IT, AS AN INTEGRANT PART OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION.
SO PLEASE BE FAIR AND? AS YOU WANTED TO BE RESPECTED ABOUT THAT (THOUGH YOU VIOLATED SYSTEMATICALLY CHCHNYANS HUMAN RIGHTS), RESPECT THE RIGHT OF GEORGIAN GOV TO DO SO.

IF YOU DO NOT DO SO YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY BE CALLED AS FASCIST AND YOU COUNTRY WILL BE CONVICTED BY THE ICJ AND IF YOUR MAIN POLITICAL AND MILITARY RESPONSIBLE TRAVEL OUT OF RUSSIA ALL THE WEIGHT OF INTERNATIONAL JUSTICE WILL LIE ON THEM AS THEY HAVE COMMITTED VERY SERIOUS OFFENCES IN INTERNATIONAL LAW.

as you can see, I answer with arguments and not only with nationalist propaganda like you do.I don't think Spanish people or western people in general are stronger than the rest of humans, we are just normal people who want respect for human life and world peace.

And yet slightly will remedy Your information

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: mimnimum 22 fight aircrafts
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: Tourism there in a trace is not present and it was not, and profits mainly from a pipeline and sposirovanie France, Germany and USA

Thank you for correcting my information: Does it change something?

Uncle_Vanya · 08-11-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pablobotin

And yet slightly will remedy Your information

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: mimnimum 22 fight aircrafts
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: Tourism there in a trace is not present and it was not, and profits mainly from a pipeline and sposirovanie France, Germany and USA

Thank you for correcting my information: Does it change something?

It doesn't change anything, the fact still remains that it was Georgia who fired the first shot not Russia and not South Ossetia. And I don't think that Georgia has a permanent seat in the UN Security council as you have just said.

pablobotin · 08-11-2008, 01:11 PM

Trying to offend us - you offend itself. Russians never differed foolishness.
You mentioned facts, they are truthful, but you do not understand that it is a not desire of people, it is a not desire of people of Georgia, it is a desire of a few persons, I talk about the government of Georgia and about the president of Georgia. They fill this itself pockets, a money earn on death of children.
To tamu you do not know that Georgia after poslednii of 3 expended in an armament a more money what on peaceful life. Did purchase tanks more than built houses, why it to the peaceful state?
And this at that to this president Russia and Georgia tendon of hundred years in the world. The last war between Russia and Georgia was 300 years ago. Then the USA was not as early as a project.

I'm not trying to offend you.
You are right in saying that russian people don't hate georgians, but actually those who take decisions in your place (Tsar Poutin the Ist and his friends) act as if they hated Georgians (Or the possibility not to keep control on Europes gas and oil delivery pipelines from the causase). I love Russia, I've been there twice and my father has worked there a few years in a Spanish company) but I can't stand Russian Imperialism

Re: South Ossetia-Georgian war

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Originally Posted by pablobotin
And yet slightly will remedy Your information

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: mimnimum 22 fight aircrafts
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: Tourism there in a trace is not present and it was not, and profits mainly from a pipeline and sposirovanie France, Germany and USA

Thank you for correcting my information: Does it change something?

It doesn't change anything, the fact still remains that it was Georgia who fired the first shot not Russia and not South Ossetia. And I don't think that Georgia has a permanent seat in the UN Security council as you have just said.
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"The Bear was dead, but he would not lie down"

Dear uncle Vanya,

That was the text that a participant to this forum wrote back as a correction to the data I showed before.
When the community of independent States was set after the USSR collapse it was determined that Russia would be the "countinuator" country in the international personality of the USSR, handling by then the permanent seat un the UN SC. The deal was that Russia would use that vote not only as russia but according what all the ex soviet countries would decide

Uncle_Vanya · 08-11-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pablobotin

Re: South Ossetia-Georgian war

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pablobotin
And yet slightly will remedy Your information

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: mimnimum 22 fight aircrafts
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: Tourism there in a trace is not present and it was not, and profits mainly from a pipeline and sposirovanie France, Germany and USA

Thank you for correcting my information: Does it change something?

It doesn't change anything, the fact still remains that it was Georgia who fired the first shot not Russia and not South Ossetia. And I don't think that Georgia has a permanent seat in the UN Security council as you have just said.
__________________

"The Bear was dead, but he would not lie down"

Dear uncle Vanya,

That was the text that a participant to this forum wrote back as a correction to the data I showed before.
When the community of independent States was set after the USSR collapse it was determined that Russia would be the "countinuator" country in the international personality of the USSR, handling by then the permanent seat un the UN SC. The deal was that Russia would use that vote not only as russia but according what all the ex soviet countries would decide

Uh huh, but Georgia does not have a permanent seat on UN SC.

pablobotin · 08-11-2008, 01:32 PM

To kocten:

Re: Let's raise International Brigades against Russia

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pablobotin
You who defend Russia's Position, I have to ask you frankly: Are you silly?

How can clever people can think that Georgia has provoked Russia about what was going on in South Ossetia (The pretended death of a few " Peacekeepers", who actually were Russian military units that were operating in the aerea illegally).

Since you lack of Brains I have to remind you the different military and political forces that have the two states we're talking about:

Russia: 1.000.000 Military Soldiers and about 1.000.000 reservists,
Georgia: not even 40.000 soldiers
Russia: 1200 fight aircrafts
Georgia: None
Russia: Permanent Seat in UN Security Council
Georgia: None
Russia: 144 mil. citizens
Georgia: 4,5
Russia: the largest country in the World.
Georgia: Very Small
Russia: Full of natural ressources such as gas, oil, metals,...
Georgia: It's main ressources come from Tourism and pipeline's taxes.

DON'T BE SILLY!

How can you be so Nationalist and fascists you Russian people? it's objective Data taken from the UN website.

OUT THERE THOUSANDS OF GEORGIANS ARE BEEN KILLED BY THE ALLMIGTHY RUSSIAN MILITARY MACHINE, WHILE WE'RE JUST TRYING IN THIS FORUM TO TEACHA BIT OF INTERNATIONAL LAW AND GEOGRAPHY TO SOME (BLIND) RUSSIAN CITIZENS.

What only justifies this war, strategically speaking is that Russia wants to keep the control of the oil and gas pipelines that go from azerbaijan to Europe in order to have the monopoly of the transportation to Europe of those ressources.

I INSIST IN TRYING TO RAISE A LITTLE HUMAN FORCE TO GO TO GEORGIA IN 20 DAYS IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT RESPONSIBLE CITIZENS ARE WITH OUR FRIENDS, GEORGIAN PEOPLE THOUGH OBVIOUSLY OUR PARTICIPATION WON'TCHANGE THE RESULTS OF THE FIGHT;

Here are my contact data:

Pablo Botin
paulopezsabi@hotmail.com
International Law Student at the Sorbonne University (Paris)

Trying to offend us - you offend itself. Russians never differed foolishness.
You mentioned facts, they are truthful, but you do not understand that it is a not desire of people, it is a not desire of people of Georgia, it is a desire of a few persons, I talk about the government of Georgia and about the president of Georgia. They fill this itself pockets, a money earn on death of children.
To tamu you do not know that Georgia after poslednii of 3 expended in an armament a more money what on peaceful life. Did purchase tanks more than built houses, why it to the peaceful state?
And this at that to this president Russia and Georgia tendon of hundred years in the world. The last war between Russia and Georgia was 300 years ago. Then the USA was not as early as a project.

Oh! I didn't know that Russia (which is not only downtown Moscow, St Petersbourg and Samarra) was an example of a welfare society, and I shall remind you that in a global two years budget of 6000 bilion Rouble (3000 per year), the military costs were of 1100 bilion, which, If I'm not wrong means almost one half of the Budget: JUST LIKE GEORGIA!!!!WAW

x42bn6 · 08-11-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle_Vanya

It doesn't change anything, the fact still remains that it was Georgia who fired the first shot not Russia and not South Ossetia. And I don't think that Georgia has a permanent seat in the UN Security council as you have just said.

Both sides accused each other of starting the conflict.

Civil.Ge | Six Die in S.Ossetia Shootout

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