South Ossetia-Georgian war

[Uncle_Vanya]

Originally Posted by kocten

why mass medias of the united states regularly does show an absolute lie?

I live in 100 kilometres from the area of conflict and see that takes a place by the eyes. I ask me to be sorry for bad english.

Shortly speaking: Georgian military powers kill peaceful habitants, rob and destroy at home. To us bring refugees thousands, at majority there, in south ossetia, from hands georgian relatives and friends perished. It is thus rumoured, that georgians were not put restraint from short distance to shoot peaceful habitants, including children. They put to death 2 thousand peaceful habitants. That in your press name insurgents are the native habitants of these earths which georgians try from there to drive out, and it is practically succeeded by him, moreover on the stories of these people - georgians shoot the peaceful habitants of surrendering villages, in living remain only those, who looks like georgian.
South ossetia begs about the help of world association and uno. The habitants of south ossetia conduct the mass meetings, trying to come into a notice, but to them there is not attention a world association.

Please, very much ask you, tell about this everything. Only so the world can know a true about what be going on here!!!!

Говори по Русски я переведу. Небоись брат наши Орлы грызунов всех положат.

[kocten]

Да я и не боюсь, у нас тут тихо, не считая беженцев ничто о войне и не говорит...просто обидно, очень обидно, что из-за одной сволочи (ну точнее не одной а целой группы неадекватных сволочей) страдают все и осетины, и грузины, а из-за группы других сволочей в лице американского и других западных правительств никто не знает правду!
Зато когда америка смешивает с дерьмом Ирак - то вот здесь-то все правильно, здесь они освобождают Иракский народ.

[Uncle_Vanya]

Originally Posted by kocten

Да я и не боюсь, у нас тут тихо, не считая беженцев ничто о войне и не говорит...просто обидно, очень обидно, что из-за одной сволочи (ну точнее не одной а целой группы неадекватных сволочей) страдают все и осетины, и грузины, а из-за группы других сволочей в лице американского и других западных правительств никто не знает правду!
Зато когда америка смешивает с дерьмом Ирак - то вот здесь-то все правильно, здесь они освобождают Иракский народ.

Историю пишут победители а они выграли холодную войну вот поэтому америкосы и оборзели. Не чё Россия идёт вверх скоро всех поставим на место. В конце этого конфликта Южная Осетия будет свободной.

Translation of what Kocten said:

Да я и не боюсь, у нас тут тихо, не считая беженцев ничто о войне и не говорит...просто обидно, очень обидно, что из-за одной сволочи (ну точнее не одной а целой группы неадекватных сволочей) страдают все и осетины, и грузины, а из-за группы других сволочей в лице американского и других западных правительств никто не знает правду!
Зато когда америка смешивает с дерьмом Ирак - то вот здесь-то все правильно, здесь они освобождают Иракский народ.

Im not afraid, its quiet here, aside from the refugees nothing speaks of war...its just sad, really sad, because of one bastard (actually a whole group of bastards and inadequate people) all Ossetians and Georgians suffer, and because of another group of bastards, the Americans and other western governments, nobody knows the truth!
But then US mixes Iraq with **** then here everything is fine, here they're liberating the Iraqie people. (sarcasm)

[Tipsy]

Spheres of influence all over again; US is pushing into what is perceived as the Russian sphere of influence (Estonia, Latvia, etc in NATO + missile defense) and Russia is trying to reach out into the Caribbean, the 'American sphere of influence'. It's just mind boggling as to how adding Georgia into NATO is in the interest of the US and how Russia strengthening ties with Cuba and Venezuela is in theirs. It's nothing but the two counties acting like children and it's going to push us into another Cold War. Spheres of influence is an outdated concept that both countries need to get over.

[B~E]

Originally Posted by Uncle_Vanya

A demographic invasion of a region that never belonged to Georgia in the first place? Ossetia was a part of Russian Empire separate from Georgia, it was Stalin who split it into North and South.



Actually this will drive the NATO members away from accepting Georgia, no one wants to actually enact the mutual defense pact and Georgia is a powderkeg. In either case Russia will respond adequately to the threats presented even if it means NATO expansion, if NATO expands into Georgia we will react to that once it happens which I highly doubt it will especially now.



Im not painting Georgia under glorious motherland light, I am painting Kosovo as such, hilarious or not that is how I feel about the issue and thats how most of my people feel about it. Pan-Slavism has never really died, how is it at odds with recent history exactly? Yes Yeltsin was a swine he sold out the Serbs, but that doesn't mean that we'll allow that to happen again, we help our brothers. Even in the Kosovo war there were thousands of Russian volunteers fighting for the Serbian, for our side. Plus this all started way before Kosovo. Im not sure yet but the Cossacks have been asking to mobilize for years now, I think they'll volunteer themselves in this conflict as well.

The people of Ossetia are "russians" because Russia gave them free russian passeports. This is akin to the american government offering american nationality to Cubans, then stepping in Cuba gun blazing, to defend them from the "evil cuban government". Its not a legitimate methode.

Georgia rightly think it is being abused when Russia is working to dissociate Ossetia from the rest of the country. Russia in the same time is also abusing its mission as a peacekeeper there, by maintaining a peaceful statu quo that alows it to safely work toward Ossetia's secession. Maybe Georgia's methodes and strategic decisions were arguably stupid, but Russia is not a savior nor a protector here. Its just another bastard power meddling into a weaker country. Which by my standards is perfectly fine. It just ticks me off when people like you want to paint the situation under a whole different light. Russia doesnt have moral high ground here.

Panslavism is at odd with recent history, like I said, because if you look at the last century, slavic countries have either suffered under german expensionism, or soviet expensionism. The satelisation of slavic countries by the URSS as been a generational nightmare for the countries affected by it, and as a direct consequence, we ca see how easily western influence, in the form of NATO and EU, can now creep in Russia's traditional neighborhood. So much for slavic solidarity.

Panslavism is just a fairy tale based on outdated notions of blood, race and ethnicity, and indeed, panslavism never manifested itself under any meaningful form, unless you count the tyranical unification forced by the URSS. Meanwhile, westward, European unification is proceeding ahead, and they're on the verge of founding a functional presidency and an unified military and foreign policy. If panslavism isnt dead, where's the equivalent? There isnt. The slaves will join the EU before they get their **** together and form an equivalent institution.

As for Kosovo and Serbia; blame the muslims before you blame the West for what happened. Its not our fault the region got conquered through demographic means by muslims. We just aborted the ethnic cleansing attempt that was going on, as if we could have let such a thing proceed at our doorstep.

[Uncle_Vanya]

Originally Posted by B~E

The people of Ossetia are "russians" because Russia gave them free russian passeports. This is akin to the american government offering american nationality to Cubans, then stepping in Cuba gun blazing, to defend them from the "evil cuban government". Its not a legitimate methode.

But they accepted those passports and for a good reason too, Georgians want to ethnically cleanse the region.

Georgia rightly think it is being abused when Russia is working to dissociate Ossetia from the rest of the country.

Georgia already dissociated Ossetia from the rest of the country in the 90s then they began a campaign of ethnic cleansing.

Russia in the same time is also abusing its mission as a peacekeeper there, by maintaining a peaceful statu quo that alows it to safely work toward Ossetia's secession.

How was Russia working towards Ossetia's secession? Please elaborate.

Maybe Georgia's methodes and strategic decisions were arguably stupid, but Russia is not a savior nor a protector here. Its just another bastard power meddling into a weaker country. Which by my standards is perfectly fine. It just ticks me off when people like you want to paint the situation under a whole different light. Russia doesnt have moral high ground here.

Heh, your position is exactly the same as mine on other issues but this isn't it, this is different, it just looks similar. It was Georgia that started this war, not Russia.

Panslavism is at odd with recent history, like I said, because if you look at the last century, slavic countries have either suffered under german expensionism, or soviet expensionism. The satelisation of slavic countries by the URSS as been a generational nightmare for the countries affected by it, and as a direct consequence, we ca see how easily western influence, in the form of NATO and EU, can now creep in Russia's traditional neighborhood.

Heh, throw enough money at a lie and you can make it into a truth, thats exactly what US funded politicians in those countries are doing.

Panslavism is just a fairy tale based on outdated notions of blood, race and ethnicity, and indeed, panslavism never manifested itself under any meaningful form, unless you count the tyranical unification forced by the URSS. Meanwhile, westward, European unification is proceeding ahead, and they're on the verge of founding a functional presidency and an unified military and foreign policy. If panslavism isnt dead, where's the equivalent? There isnt. The slaves will join the EU before they get their **** together and form an equivalent institution.

Kievan Rus, Russian Empire, USSR, ring any bells? Slaves? You mean Slavs. Russia doesn't care if our neighbors join the EU, EU is not a military alliance, now NATO is and thats what we have a problem with. Panslavism is not outdated and neither are the notions of blood and ethnicity, there the hell do you live there people aren't at all segregated by their blood and ethnicity?

As for Kosovo and Serbia; blame the muslims before you blame the West for what happened. Its not our fault the region got conquered through demographic means by muslims. We just aborted the ethnic cleansing attempt that was going on, as if we could have let such a thing proceed at our doorstep.

The ethnic cleansing attempt was going oh so right until you showed up, and you haven't prevented the attempts of ethnic cleansing by Albanians against the Serbs so yes you are to blame.

[Jenny]

I Invite all those who want to come with me in 20 days to Georgia to organise the "second" international brigades, as they were set up for the first time during the Civil Spanish War against Franco's forces.

Seriously? If you are seriously doing this please post pictures. I doubt anyone will show up, honestly. This sounds like a really silly idea. Or not silly, but a very bad idea. Sounds like a reason to get more innocent people killed.

[Uncle_Vanya]

Originally Posted by Jenny

Seriously? If you are seriously doing this please post pictures. I doubt anyone will show up, honestly. This sounds like a really silly idea. Or not silly, but a very bad idea. Sounds like a reason to get more innocent people killed.

He'll get killed, don't worry about it, him along with his Ukranian nationalist buddies from UNANSO who also volunteered and other eurotrash scum.

[zazapt]

you are a facist lunatic!!

[Uncle_Vanya]

Originally Posted by zazapt

you are a facist lunatic!!

And yes of course, Im a fascist, why? Because I disagree with the illogical bull**** you're promoting? Who is the lunatic? Georgia will loose this war and no one in their right mind would say otherwise. Saakashvilli needs to be shown his place. So go ahead, whine about how Russia is evil and how it is bullying other nations, Russia doesn't care, I don't care, your whining and bitching is irrelevant to everyone aside from your own little clique of whiners and bitches. Russia is not the aggressor in this, Georgia is, Georgia is the one who fired the first shot and it will be punished for it.