Cancer: Natures Virus killer.

[Static]

I was sitting in environment science after getting stoned and this teacher goes on and on about pretty much nothing. We were talking about the different ages of man, since the "Hunter-Gather" age up till the industrial revolution in the 1900s. Only since the 1900's has the population and wildlife really started to change.

He also was talking about how man has destroyed nature. How nature is so perfect in every way that nothing is not needed(that is in nature). The way animals teeth are made, their skins, their furs, all that good stuff. He talked about how if there is something bad in nature it will find a way to destroy it. Through bacteria, fungu, whatever it might be.

Then I thought about the First matrix when Smith called Humans a virus. In all sense of the word it is true.

I can't remember 100% if they know where cancer comes from but I am sure they don't know. So then i get into that "deep' thinking and wondered if cancer could be natures way of getting rid of human. At a slow slow pace but it could fluxuate.

[l33t 0n3]

What I dont get is why don't we consider humans or anything we do "nature"? Nature created us; why does the fact that we wear clothes and build machines make us any less natural? We didn't come from space. Its like putting food-coloring in water. We're still water, no matter how we look. We're pretty much just invoking another chapter of natural selection. We're making more species go extinct because they are unfit to survive at a faster rate than usual. We're not aliens from space with lasers...

[Homem mAIOR]

Originally Posted by l33t 0n3

What I dont get is why don't we consider humans or anything we do "nature"? Nature created us; why does the fact that we wear clothes and build machines make us any less natural? We didn't come from space. Its like putting food-coloring in water. We're still water, no matter how we look. We're pretty much just invoking another chapter of natural selection. We're making more species go extinct because they are unfit to survive at a faster rate than usual. We're not aliens from space with lasers...

Actually Species are going extinct because we destroy their natural lairs... We take out their main food sources and their environment... Mankind is dooming this planet...
Btw.: Aliens with lasers are part of the nature too... May not be earthen but they are part of nature.

[Undead Cheese]

Originally Posted by Static

So then i get into that "deep' thinking and wondered if cancer could be natures way of getting rid of human. At a slow slow pace but it could fluxuate.

Cancer isn't limited to humans, though.

[Static]

Well the cancer thing being subject to other things is true. But if it is a nature made virus then i am sure it can get contracted by other things. All it needs is a host.

We are different because we clearly over power every other species on the planet.

[Homem mAIOR]

Cancer is not a virus.
It is a genetical anomaly wich has always existed since the begginings of mankind only then, it couldn't be diagnosed (for obvious reasons).

[B~E]

Originally Posted by Homem mAIOR

Actually Species are going extinct because we destroy their natural lairs... We take out their main food sources and their environment... Mankind is dooming this planet...

Dooming the planet ? maybe not. The question here is, is our way of life unsustainable or not ? If our way of life is sustainable, if the ressources we consume are renewable, we wont destroy the planet. We will transforme it in a way that will be unrecognisable 100 years from now, but it wont be doomed. After all, if Nature's most advendced specie can manage to triumph over Earth, and extend its control in the cosmos, Nature will have succeded.

But if our way of life isn't sustainable, we will simply change it and adapte, unless we've grow to be too much dependant on machines, like in Kubrick's Space Odyssey.

[Static]

Someone told me that there was a philosophy on the destruction of societies. That once a society reaches its peak it ends up bringing itself down somehow. Something like the pyramids in Egypt. Or the supposed City of atlantis. We are recently only beginning to become at our peak. It will soon end with something. Population is getting to big, we are slowwly running out of resources, or just our technology will be used against up. Weather you want to go with an interesting thing like machines or logical like nukes it will prolly happen shortly.

[B~E]

Civilisation goes through a phase of gestation, birth, ascension, peak, and decay. We where at our peak until 1914, where we started to decline because of the crippling effec of two world wars and the lost of our colonies, that is, our control over the rest of the world. Now, we are stable since 1945, and the USa are the only country that has our civilisation going.
And with the USA having won the Cold War versus the Orthodox Civilisation (because that how Russia's civilisation is called), and because they are still struggling to keep its control over the world, we are going through ups and downs. Problem is, while we've managed stability, we're declining relativly toward other civilisations, i.e, they're getting stronger while we're stable. Which isn't good.

Decay happen when a civilisation no longer invest capital into innovations, it happens when they content themselve with the stato quo. Western Civilistion's latest investment into innovation is globalisation. We could also invest into space exploration, or any other science that would allow us to keep a hedge over the rest of the world, but we aren't doing it. We have a statu quo to keep intact over the rest of the world.

But with an aging population, debts, the younger population no longer willing to fight or defend its country (I'm talking to peace loving left-wing), social decay (drugs, weak family structure, individuality over community, ect), those are the signs of a civilistion on the brink of decay.

Another good sign of decay is when a civilisation think that history has ended for itself. For exemple, in the mid 1850, Great Britain was at the top of its power, and for the english middle class, History in itself was over, the statu quo was perfect, and things couldnt improve nor worsen. Altough they had every right to congratulate themsselves for the state of felicity caused by Pax Britanica, we all know that History for the british was far from over, and far from improving. I could tell similar story for Rome, Chinese Dinasty, Or America at the end of the Cold War.

[ArtOfProtoss]

If anything, AIDS would be natures way of dealing with humans.

[Static]

But we got AIDS from a monkey. And is transfered through sex. Not really a pure nature thing.

[Undead Cheese]

Originally Posted by Static

But we got AIDS from a monkey. And is transfered through sex. Not really a pure nature thing.

AIDS doesn't have to be transferred through sex. There are other ways.

[Lizardbreath]

Originally Posted by Static

I was sitting in environment science after getting stoned and this teacher goes on and on about pretty much nothing. We were talking about the different ages of man, since the "Hunter-Gather" age up till the industrial revolution in the 1900s. Only since the 1900's has the population and wildlife really started to change.

He also was talking about how man has destroyed nature. How nature is so perfect in every way that nothing is not needed(that is in nature). The way animals teeth are made, their skins, their furs, all that good stuff. He talked about how if there is something bad in nature it will find a way to destroy it. Through bacteria, fungu, whatever it might be.

Then I thought about the First matrix when Smith called Humans a virus. In all sense of the word it is true.

I can't remember 100% if they know where cancer comes from but I am sure they don't know. So then i get into that "deep' thinking and wondered if cancer could be natures way of getting rid of human. At a slow slow pace but it could fluxuate.

A lot of what humans do is natural. We seek a mate in our adolescense. We are all selfish and always trying to get on top and be the best and most powerful. And we are all subject to diseases. I think a better answer to this would be aids....Undead cheese pointed out already that cancer is not only subject to humans.

[B~E]

Also, controling our environment is a purely natural thing. Lots of other specie do it. we're simply much mor efficiant than the rest because of our tools.

[Homem mAIOR]

No. Actually we are dooming the planet... each one of us spends 30X the resourses an elephant spends and we were supposed to be only 180000000... we are 6 billions... so you see nature cannot sustain us if we continue to overspend resources like this...

[Korittke]

Reminder from above: Nature is a term used to describe a number of biological appearances and phenomenons, NOT a thing in itself. What does this tell us? Nature doesn't send out troops of virii to kill the human race and save mother earth. Bullshit, my dear friend. And you probably don't even know what cancer is and how it develops so shut the **** up about it. Remembers: Nature doesn't think, the things in it evolve and that's it. And HIV isn't nature's way of dealing with humanity, it's a biological appearance that is simply more effective than a human. And yes, humanity is taking all of earth's resources but who gives a shit? Those who effectively will NOT live after us because all the resources are gone and they will not be born, I guess they in particular won't give the slightest shit. There's no moral need to save the earth so shut up, you hippies and yuppies. Just take the piss out of this damn planet and then leave.

[Homem mAIOR]

Though you may think there is no moral obligation for us to save earth well, I say: I like my confortable way of life; to know that I can still have places to go and breathe pure air so, I recicle and do a lot of earth saving stuf. I'm no hippie and yupis think the way you do so... tough

And I do know how cancer develops for instance eye cancer is developed by genetic anomally in the 13th cromossome while colon cancer happens if we don't eat enough fiber and vitamins...
Just two easy examples.
So I'd appreciate you'd be calmer in your answers!

[Induhvidual_1]

i was reading time magazine or was it newsweek....

anyhow, though this may not be explicitly related to the topic

humans are using viruses to remove harmful cancer cells. in this case, the virus which has a unique reproductive cycle helps eliminate the cancer cells...

[B~E]

Originally Posted by Homem mAIOR

No. Actually we are dooming the planet... each one of us spends 30X the resourses an elephant spends and we were supposed to be only 180000000... we are 6 billions... so you see nature cannot sustain us if we continue to overspend resources like this...

Prove to me that we are supposed to only be 180 million ? Thats sound like bulshit to me, since 180 million are the number of people living in Western Europe only, and they sustain themselve very well. and you know why ? Because we can tranforme Nature to fit our need, to make her sustain ourself and our expention, and it is working.

[Korittke]

Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm

Prove to me that we are supposed to only be 180 million ? Thats sound like bulshit to me, since 180 million are the number of people living in Western Europe only, and they sustain themselve very well. and you know why ? Because we can tranforme Nature to fit our need, to make her sustain ourself and our expention, and it is working.

It's just close to stop working.