Political Affiliation?

[Lights]

I am a Libertarian, but not a radical one. For instance, I believe we have a right to marry whom we choose and own a gun, but not to murder unborns. ( a la Abortion Thread, yes it changed my view :P) Personal liberties have a limit, but that limit is much more than either of the major party's will allow. I really think an 8 year term under a Libertarian President could do this country some good. To flush out the system, if you will.

And, uhh.. I'm all for a free market society!

[CelestialBadger]

I suppose I'd be somewhat of a socialistic green with libertarian sympathies. I agree with the libertarians morality shouldn't be legislated, even disagreeing with the typical democratic stance on gun control. I do not believe in high taxation, I just believe in getting as much out of taxes as we can. Taxes should be used for social programs and should not be used to fuel lobbyist/congressman ass kissing. Another way we can reduce taxation is by capping the salary for politicians. This would not only reduce taxes and allow more social growth, it would also put less of an incentive for the greedy on running for office. On an international scale, I don't see anything wrong with helping other countries with domestic aid, but we should not aid them militarily unless they ask us for aid.

That's basically my "political affiliation". I don't think there's really a party that fits all of those.

[Lights]

Domestic aide isn't something our tax dollars should be going to, IMO.
If we want to help them, buy some of their products or sell them some of ours. We have WAY too many problems in the US to worry about setting up a democracy somewhere else, or breast feeding a struggling country. As always, their are exceptions (i.e. tsunami happens :/)

[CelestialBadger]

The tsunami thing is what I'm talking about with domestic aid. I think the term I was going for was "humanitarian aid" rather than domestic. I agree that we shouldn't play an active role in what type of government other countries wish to have.

[Tipsy]

Though I put just blatantly 'Republican' above, I think I'll be more specific since everyone else is. I personally think we should have a strong government, as Onmyoji put it, a government that takes care of its' people. For law and such, I believe the government should be able to regulate many things of what its' people can and cannot do. I think the system for government we have now is fine, it just needs quite a bit of fixing in policy. My opinion is that ever since the end of WW2, the United States has been on a decline. We basically put ourselves in a kind of 'world leader' situation, which worked well enough right after the war considering how decimated parts of the world was, but how long we've held onto this is just absurd. As Lights said, we shouldn't be 'breast feeding' other countries, before we fix other countries, we really need to fix our own country. If you really look at it, all of this terrorism and hatred towards the United States has all come from us trying to control the world. We put troops everywhere when we really should leave foreign wars and uprisings to that country. Maybe not going to an isolationism position, but going back to just being another country in the world. There are projects for other countries that the United States funds and one thing that annoys me is the United States and the United Nations. The United States puts a ton of money into keeping the United Nations afloat, more than any other country I believe. Some people think it is our duty as the richest nation in the world, but if we put more money out doing many things that other countries put far less money towards, if any, doesn't that already make us this 'world leader' that many people say, Americans or foreign, that we shouldn't be the world leader?

To sum everything up, we really should be helping our citizens, fixing our economy, fixing our society, and basically just fixing our own country. I really think that we should rejoin the world, become equals with other countries instead of surpassing the amount of money they throw out to the world. Our system needs to be fixed, granted, but I don't think this small government, ‘everybody for themselves mentality’, is going to fix our problems, it will in my opinion just create wider gaps between classes. While this may not be the most 'Republican' viewpoint, the Republican party has agreed more towards the issues I believe need to be fixed morally, which Forged hit two of them straight on the head. Though there has been this 'vote for the lesser of two evils' mentality, it is better in my opinion to take one small step at a time to fix our society rather than going to a complete extreme.

One more thing, where have you been lights, I haven't seen you posting in the Arcane Sanctuary for quite some time.

[Lights]

Now, I don't have too much against President Bush, but what is our deficit now? 7 trillion? I know the most of that has nothing to do with him, and he at least attempted to cut at it some, but how can we possibly afford to simultaneously pay for a war, send millions in aid, pay for all of the government's departments, and have a running NASA program? This is just the tip of the iceberg of what our government spends daily. We will NEVER regress our debt with the huge government we now have.

Things within the government needs to be sliced drastically. If that means not sending satellites out or sending millions in aid, it may have to be done. For a time, at least, we need to take care of our own and not be "Big Brother" to the Middle East.

Of course, with a Repub or Demo, this can't be done. However, if we bring in a fresh, green Libertarian...




@Tipsy- Ive been sucked into the deep black hole known as 'Halo 2'.

[CelestialBadger]

Tipsy: would it be correct to assume that you voted based on the abortion/gay marriage platform? Because most of your other beliefs are usually held by democrats.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by CelestialBadger

Tipsy: would it be correct to assume that you voted based on the abortion/gay marriage platform? Because most of your other beliefs are usually held by democrats.

Those were two of the most important things to me in this election, and the other thing was there was no possible way I would ever vote for Kerry because for some reason he claimed to be 'Catholic' AND supported gay marriage and abortion with the exception of the third trimester for those two specific examples. I am not a hardcore Republican who says I will vote for Republicans through hell, but in this case Bush looked like a better choice for me than Kerry.

[dreamcrusader]

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Though I put just blatantly 'Republican' above, I think I'll be more specific since everyone else is. I personally think we should have a strong government, as Onmyoji put it, a government that takes care of its' people. For law and such, I believe the government should be able to regulate many things of what its' people can and cannot do. I think the system for government we have now is fine, it just needs quite a bit of fixing in policy. My opinion is that ever since the end of WW2, the United States has been on a decline. We basically put ourselves in a kind of 'world leader' situation, which worked well enough right after the war considering how decimated parts of the world was, but how long we've held onto this is just absurd. As Lights said, we shouldn't be 'breast feeding' other countries, before we fix other countries, we really need to fix our own country. If you really look at it, all of this terrorism and hatred towards the United States has all come from us trying to control the world. We put troops everywhere when we really should leave foreign wars and uprisings to that country. Maybe not going to an isolationism position, but going back to just being another country in the world. There are projects for other countries that the United States funds and one thing that annoys me is the United States and the United Nations. The United States puts a ton of money into keeping the United Nations afloat, more than any other country I believe. Some people think it is our duty as the richest nation in the world, but if we put more money out doing many things that other countries put far less money towards, if any, doesn't that already make us this 'world leader' that many people say, Americans or foreign, that we shouldn't be the world leader?

To sum everything up, we really should be helping our citizens, fixing our economy, fixing our society, and basically just fixing our own country. I really think that we should rejoin the world, become equals with other countries instead of surpassing the amount of money they throw out to the world. Our system needs to be fixed, granted, but I don't think this small government, ‘everybody for themselves mentality’, is going to fix our problems, it will in my opinion just create wider gaps between classes. While this may not be the most 'Republican' viewpoint, the Republican party has agreed more towards the issues I believe need to be fixed morally, which Forged hit two of them straight on the head. Though there has been this 'vote for the lesser of two evils' mentality, it is better in my opinion to take one small step at a time to fix our society rather than going to a complete extreme.

One more thing, where have you been lights, I haven't seen you posting in the Arcane Sanctuary for quite some time.

you have got to be kidding me! People think that America is falling of the face of this planet, but its not. If we help the people(with big gov ways) and fix ourselves(wih big gov ways) than were taking a step towards an extream party. Like communism. Lots of people can qualify for welfare but they take advantage of it and use it not for themselves but other things they want. I personally think we have to help people to help themselves. We need to teach ways to help people throughout life, not just say "heres $10,000 from our gov, fix your life".(and I bet the person reciving it will spend it more on luxuries than needs) And I highly doubt the terrorists attacked us because of our deployment of troops in other countries. They hate our culture, our way of life, our society. They are paying for that now agianst the strongest military in the world, but the point is you can still be completly free in America. And they hate that,

[CelestialBadger]

Originally Posted by dreamcrusader

you have got to be kidding me! People think that America is falling of the face of this planet, but its not. If we help the people(with big gov ways) and fix ourselves(wih big gov ways) than were taking a step towards an extream party. Like communism. Lots of people can qualify for welfare but they take advantage of it and use it not for themselves but other things they want. I personally think we have to help people to help themselves. We need to teach ways to help people throughout life, not just say "heres $10,000 from our gov, fix your life".(and I bet the person reciving it will spend it more on luxuries than needs) And I highly doubt the terrorists attacked us because of our deployment of troops in other countries. They hate our culture, our way of life, our society. They are paying for that now agianst the strongest military in the world, but the point is you can still be completly free in America. And they hate that,

Maslow's hierarchy says that humans satisfy their need for food before all other needs. But who is he to argue with you?

[Forged]

Originally Posted by dreamcrusader

you have got to be kidding me! People think that America is falling of the face of this planet, but its not. If we help the people(with big gov ways) and fix ourselves(wih big gov ways) than were taking a step towards an extream party. Like communism. Lots of people can qualify for welfare but they take advantage of it and use it not for themselves but other things they want. I personally think we have to help people to help themselves. We need to teach ways to help people throughout life, not just say "heres $10,000 from our gov, fix your life".(and I bet the person reciving it will spend it more on luxuries than needs) And I highly doubt the terrorists attacked us because of our deployment of troops in other countries. They hate our culture, our way of life, our society. They are paying for that now agianst the strongest military in the world, but the point is you can still be completly free in America. And they hate that,

And LBJ Killed JFK for the Jack Ruby.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by dreamcrusader

you have got to be kidding me! People think that America is falling of the face of this planet, but its not. If we help the people(with big gov ways) and fix ourselves(wih big gov ways) than were taking a step towards an extream party. Like communism. Lots of people can qualify for welfare but they take advantage of it and use it not for themselves but other things they want. I personally think we have to help people to help themselves. We need to teach ways to help people throughout life, not just say "heres $10,000 from our gov, fix your life".(and I bet the person reciving it will spend it more on luxuries than needs) And I highly doubt the terrorists attacked us because of our deployment of troops in other countries. They hate our culture, our way of life, our society. They are paying for that now agianst the strongest military in the world, but the point is you can still be completly free in America. And they hate that,

Falling off the face of the planet? No. Declining? Yes. The United States isn't going to just be gone one night (with the exception of some sort of war), it is going to over time lose more and more of its' dominance in the world until it is just another country in the world. I put above that we were the leaders of the world after world war two, and since then we have been declining. It should be pretty obvious, compare the relative power of the United States to the world economically and militarially to the world slightly before, during, slightly after, and then now. Whether we like it or not, our 'Golden Age' or whatever you wish to call it has passed, and we may still have our military, but our influence and image has been tarnished throughout the world and may never return to what it was in the past.

As for taking a step towards communism, I was more looking towards an influx of many socialist ideology and in this way help the people. This problem is extreme as well, but I can hope that by taking one small step at a time we can get a society that does serve its' people. As for the welfare thing, there are many programs that some people just leech off of. My opinion is that our country desperately needs to be reformed inside and out.

And I highly doubt the terrorists attacked us because of our deployment of troops in other countries. They hate our culture, our way of life, our society. They are paying for that now agianst the strongest military in the world, but the point is you can still be completly free in America. And they hate that

What I was referring to has been going on for the last century and even a bit more before that. The biggest thing was during the Cold War how the West and the East fought for control over the Middle East. All of these American attacks that are made out of good will explode in our face and turn into hatred from the population we wish to help. Just because people are terrorists does not mean that somewhere in their heads they are not rational people. They are willing to die for a cause that they logically believe is just. Also, if you look at Osama Bin Laden, it is not our 'culture, our way of life, our society' that is hated, it is our foreign policy. Bin Laden's reasoning for opposing the United States was not because of our culture and way of life, he said that it was because of an American military base established in Saudi Arabai after the Gulf War that was made on ground that Muslims considered holy. Both the Saudi government and the United States knew this, but this was the spot that it had to be made on. I am in no way saying that the terrorists are right, just that they have their own perspective in which they logically think that they are doing the right thing. This is a 'war on terror' where both sides believe that they are fighting against the terrorists.

[KillThePreppies]

Originally Posted by CelestialBadger

Maslow's hierarchy says that humans satisfy their need for food before all other needs. But who is he to argue with you?

Agreed. Dreamcrusader, you are a ****ing idiot.

[Forged]

I think my way of saying it was much more elegant. :P

[KillThePreppies]

Dreamcrusader, you are hypothyroid mongoloid mis-concieved misbegotten supine troglodyte.

I can be smart; I simply choose not to be!

[Bret]

I'm very conservative in my ways.
The government owns enough as it is, it doesn't need anymore.

[KillThePreppies]

That's being a libertarian. Libertarians are republicans without ridiculous notions of legislating public morality beyond that conducive to basic social harmony.

[dreamcrusader]

Originally Posted by Tipsy

Falling off the face of the planet? No. Declining? Yes. The United States isn't going to just be gone one night (with the exception of some sort of war), it is going to over time lose more and more of its' dominance in the world until it is just another country in the world. I put above that we were the leaders of the world after world war two, and since then we have been declining. It should be pretty obvious, compare the relative power of the United States to the world economically and militarially to the world slightly before, during, slightly after, and then now. Whether we like it or not, our 'Golden Age' or whatever you wish to call it has passed, and we may still have our military, but our influence and image has been tarnished throughout the world and may never return to what it was in the past.

As for taking a step towards communism, I was more looking towards an influx of many socialist ideology and in this way help the people. This problem is extreme as well, but I can hope that by taking one small step at a time we can get a society that does serve its' people. As for the welfare thing, there are many programs that some people just leech off of. My opinion is that our country desperately needs to be reformed inside and out.


What I was referring to has been going on for the last century and even a bit more before that. The biggest thing was during the Cold War how the West and the East fought for control over the Middle East. All of these American attacks that are made out of good will explode in our face and turn into hatred from the population we wish to help. Just because people are terrorists does not mean that somewhere in their heads they are not rational people. They are willing to die for a cause that they logically believe is just. Also, if you look at Osama Bin Laden, it is not our 'culture, our way of life, our society' that is hated, it is our foreign policy. Bin Laden's reasoning for opposing the United States was not because of our culture and way of life, he said that it was because of an American military base established in Saudi Arabai after the Gulf War that was made on ground that Muslims considered holy. Both the Saudi government and the United States knew this, but this was the spot that it had to be made on. I am in no way saying that the terrorists are right, just that they have their own perspective in which they logically think that they are doing the right thing. This is a 'war on terror' where both sides believe that they are fighting against the terrorists.

I guess I just dont understand how we have "declined" after that Cold War. What country challenges our power? Culture? Or way of life? We have only increased since WW2. Russia and GB, the former super powers, are no longer super powers. They may rival us some what in military technology but those are countrys that have declined. Not the US. Does that fact that we have the worlds largest budget make a difference? What about the fact that America has the worlds best military in the world?(that recently broke the 4th most powerful military in the world) Does the fact that you can come from a 3rd world country to America and live in the American dream make a difference? I guess my point is you are only looking at the worst of the situation, much like todays media, and completly ignoring all the good things.

And with the terrorists, you got me on some of those facts but I think that you can agree that the terrorists also hate America simply because its America. The way of life here, the culture, the religous backgrounds, I think its perrty obvoius that they arnt very happy with those either.

@KillThePreppies how about you stfu? This is the Arcane Sactuary. Not the Aslyum. Go flame over there, not here.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by dreamcrusader

I guess I just dont understand how we have "declined" after that Cold War. What country challenges our power? Culture? Or way of life? We have only increased since WW2. Russia and GB, the former super powers, are no longer super powers. They may rival us some what in military technology but those are countrys that have declined. Not the US. Does that fact that we have the worlds largest budget make a difference? What about the fact that America has the worlds best military in the world?(that recently broke the 4th most powerful military in the world) Does the fact that you can come from a 3rd world country to America and live in the American dream make a difference? I guess my point is you are only looking at the worst of the situation, much like todays media, and completly ignoring all the good things.

I had thought about using this example before, but I decided not to because it would make me sound like how Kuzmich does towards Russia, but hey, I might as well. For one second, compare Rome to the United States. Rome started falling at the end of Pax Romana, which ended in the second century I believe. It took the Western Roman Empire roughly three hundred years to fall after it began declining, even longer if you are counting the Eastern Roman Empire. If you can find me another country that by itself rivaled Rome in 'military technology', 'military strength', 'world's largest budget', etc. The United States like Rome is not going to decline overnight, the point is if nothing is done to fix it, the United States will continuing going like this. I am not ignoring the good, but history many times predicts the future.

[KillThePreppies]

Calling someone a hypothyroid mongoloid misconcieved misbegotten supine troglodyte doesn't really count as flaming as much as bringing the person in question's ignorance to light as they are baffled by this comment.