Proff of GOD through mathmatics

[Sakuhta]

Originally Posted by Korittke

This is the worst attempt at proving God I have ever heard in my entire life.

I hear that... that more or less made no sense and was useless.

[I_Robbie]

Its just an idea... You people seem to be very angrey about this whole thing. I know i dont know much about math but Im just trying out an idea.


About Zeno's theroy, I guess what I dont understand is at some point you are going to need to make a jump from a fraction to zero. how would you do that?

[Korittke]

if you have infinite parts of a finite number, you get infitisimaly close to zero with the difference. when you add an infinite series of numbers adding up to a finite number etc. it then is the number, considering you used the finite number for the infitisimizing step and you get infite amount of numbers that are all finite in itself. thers no jump from a fractino to zero, the point is that you have infinite amount of fractions that add up to a finite number, the one you started out with. if you wanted to prove this by adding up all the numbers then youd have a lot of stuff to do, you just have to get it, basically what macman said.

[I_Robbie]

well that makes sence. thanks for the help.

[BlueCheeseKilla]

Originally Posted by I_Robbie

@ tipsy

First of you support bush you you probly dont know what the hell your talking about. secondly, what about quarks or whatever there called? thare is somthing smaller then an atom.

quarks are inside atoms, if you started cutting the box that thin, you'd cut atoms and make a little atom bomb and blow yourself up.

edit: i didnt read everypost, someone said basically the same thing, sorry

[l33t 0n3]

If you bring it to a molecular level, there are only so many 'slices' you can have. And infinity is nonexistant; In the physical world, you cannot have infinity. You have one OR two, not 'less than one'. You've mistaken math with physics. A 'point' is a mathematical statement, not a physical existance.

Half of an atom is not an atom.

If I cut you in half. I would not have you. I would have a corpse. bad example, since it's a physical change, but you get the point.

And even if your logic somehow bent the laws of physics that have been prooven countless times, it still would not proove the existance of god.

[I_Robbie]

what about borders on contreys? If thare was not lines on borders then thare would be some sort of small midde ground.

[MacMan]

How old are you??

[TrongaMonga]

Originally Posted by I_Robbie

what about borders on contreys? If thare was not lines on borders then thare would be some sort of small midde ground.

That didn't make sense...

You never traveled to another country, did you?

[OMGLOLWTFPWN]

We don't paint lines on the ground, they are imaginary.

[I_Robbie]

i know but im just saying thare is a place whare lines exsitst in real life. and yes i have been to canada many times.

[TrongaMonga]

So, I guess you crosses the border already. Did you saw any line there? Yes, it is supposed to be a line with no size other than lenght. But, did you saw it?

It's only a sort of expression, it can't be used for real definition of borders. Kinda like what you said in the first post.

[AZN_FLEA]

ive been reading so much bullshit...firstly there is no proof that stoms are the smallest unit of measurement. there might be smaller units and infinitely many more smaller units.

congrats i_robbie even if your theory might not be true the good thing is ur christian.

[I_Robbie]

Im not cristian, Im quaker.



If i saw the line would it be infanitly thin? how could i see it?

[TrongaMonga]

My point exactly

It's just a map making tool, it's not there. It can't be, it's bloody impossible.

Same with the example you gave. It's a mathematical tool. But it's not there.

[I_Robbie]

can you prove its not thare?

[minny]

can you prove that God can slice a box?

[I_Robbie]

Can you prove tha god exsits at all?

[minny]

No, but you claim that you did.

[WilliamDell]

If you're using mathematics, you have to be able to use hypothetical situations. Just because we personally can't do something in real life doesn't mean it is mathematically impossible though it matters on the the restrictions and variables placed on the equation and situation at hand. For instance, I could say that I agree with the principle that simply by dividing something in half forever will never result in zero; I could also say that in real life that's impossible because there are certain restrictions when it comes to small sizes and even in certain hypothetical situations dealing with real world problems such as talking about dividing atoms in half through an equation involves the inclusion of many more variables that come into effect to decide what can and can't be done at certain levels of force.

The last part of that sentence refers to forces such as the strong force and electromagnetic forces that work to keep the nuclei of atoms together and there are many other factors that come in to play such how much force is required to break apart a proton. With these and other factors, the mathematics of halving atoms becomes complicated but not completely impossible depending upon several variables of course. Anyways, that is kind of off the topic maybe but it does serve to prove a point I'm going to bring up.

When I think of proving God by way of mathematics I always think back to Einsteins thinking to try and makea universal theory to relate everything through some sort of equation or maybe a series of equations to unite science and everything finally. It's a great vision and it really gives rise to a sense of a god, and the lack of such unity can fuel a thinking of a lack of but there are still so many things that follow patterns that can be traced and mathematically predicted it gives situations that encourage a sense of an overall guiding "force" to the universe that makes everything follow an orderly pattern. And as I've said in the past, that is what God really should be more than anything, a guiding "light" that shows us all that we are united and science is trying to find this really, the one thing that unites everything and I have seen how many things come together over a series of equations that relate in ways that aren't apparent at first. It's really amazing to find that out.

It doesn't necessarily mean God is supernatural, it can mean the concept of God is natural and we can identify with that concept and realize that humans are all equal under that natural concept and we all are truly equal in that respect. And just to clarify, I don't think science is a religion or anything, but neither do I think it is against religion, and I don't think people should not teach science or worse yet be against it because they somehow think it will demote their religious experience. Those people need to realize religion is not just about believing in God, it's about being kind and bonding with your fellow man and making peace with yourself and your surroundings.