Affirmative Action

[l33t 0n3]

Affirmative Action is a very touchy subject in the world. Politicians know it is wrong, but they won't touch it with a ten foot stick. It's political suicide to do so.

First, I would like to explain to foreigners what Affirmative Action is, briefly, so you don't feel left out of this. Aff. Action is a law that requires companies and schools have a certain amount of minorities in them. While it seems like a law that helps relieve racial tensions, it is quite the opposite.

Because of Affirmative Action, colleges will consider your race when you apply. They are known to pick a person with a lower GPA and test scores simply because of their race. To be white means that you need about .1/.2 higher of a GPA to get into college. Admission should be based PURELY on test scores and GPA. The smarter person has worked their ass off to desirve a spot in the school, but one who is less intelligent will get the spot because of their race.

The exact same goes on for jobs, but to a lesser extent. The male/female and illegal immigrant issues make Affirmative Action seem like nothing.

Times have changed and I feel the United States is no longer in need of Affirmative Action. It was a positive aspect to the world around the time of Martin Luther King Jr., but now racial tensions have near ended. The only effect is has is reverse-racism.

I, infact, believe race should be completely ignored unless in the case of an extreme hate crime. In the Judicial system, if you are white and commit a crime against a black man, you are suddenly in a world of hurt. What would be a small fine elevates to 10+ years in prison and millions of dollars. Welfare and tax breaks are also tainted with racism. Minorities get more money than a white man from welfare, and white people pay higher taxes.

The world has grown past this, and I believe it is time for change.

[Kuzmich]

Yeah, you americans should take your guns and burn down the houses of those minority bastards. Take back whats yours!!!!

[Undead Cheese]

Originally Posted by Kuzmich

Yeah, you americans should take your guns and burn down the houses of those minority bastards. Take back whats yours!!!!

Kuzmich's ignorance shines again.


It's quite obvious that Affirmative Action is reverse-racism, but in doing so it is racist itself. People are held at different standards simply because of their race.

[B~E]

While it is racist in its funtion, affirmative action seem to be helping the social mobility of our minorities, which help to their assimilation.

[l33t 0n3]

Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm

While it is racist in its funtion, affirmative action seem to be helping the social mobility of our minorities, which help to their assimilation.

But the point of this post was that its purpose is over, and now it is doing nothing more than fueling racism. We're not in the 1950's anymore

[Tipsy]

I really don't think that affirmative action should be continued. If anyone remembers the guy who offered a scholarship to white only students and everyone jumped on him for being racist thought he was merely doing affirmative actions for white people. Anywo, it is projected that by 2025 white people will be a minority in America if the minority rate continues to increase as it has for years. The argument behind affirmative actions is to help less forunate families to get their kids into college and to help raise a diverse atmosphere in college. The less fortunate families I think should just be for all less fortunate families, and the more diverse atmosphere, I really don't think that is all that important.

[Nicholas The Slide]

i dont support affiramtive action because it gives people who dont deserve to be in a certain school because of there school preformance, a free ticktet into the school.. the best option would be for, on a colege application, to not have any form of racial ID, and maybe an ID # instead of a name, as that too can be revealing about race. that way the college will accept students by acedemic achievment among other things.

[B)ushid(o]

You still have to have the test scores and GPA, though. You can't get a 2.4 with 860 on the SATs and expect affirmative action to get you into a good college, and you still need to be qualified to get a good job. Still, I'm against affirmative action, I don't think there's a need for it anymore. Equal oppurtinuty lies with no affirmative action.

[Kuzmich]

Originally Posted by Undead Cheese

Kuzmich's ignorance shines again.


It's quite obvious that Affirmative Action is reverse-racism, but in doing so it is racist itself. People are held at different standards simply because of their race.

Oh just shut up will ya? I was being sarcastic. Also you shouldn't talk about ignorance you're american, automatically making you ignorant.

Anyways, yes i think reverse-racism is wrong, if your nation promises equality for all, then why does it not provide it?

[Nicholas The Slide]

Originally Posted by Kuzmich

Oh just shut up will ya? I was being sarcastic. Also you shouldn't talk about ignorance you're american, automatically making you ignorant.

Anyways, yes i think reverse-racism is wrong, if your nation promises equality for all, then why does it not provide it?

kuzmitch, your ignorance is showing again...

[B~E]

Oh really ? insteed of making litle, insulting one liner, would you care to debate what was ignorant in is post, inasmuch this is a debating forum ?

Back on the subject. I know this isn't the 50 anymore, as leetone said, but with the still steedy flow of immigrants, I think you need every system that can help integrating minorities. Can you agree that this slight egde over others also help with their social mobility ?
And finaly, I dont see how this system could creat racism. Would someone really do anything harsh because he suspect losing is job to one of the many minorities where he applied ?

[Undead Cheese]

Originally Posted by Kuzmich

Also you shouldn't talk about ignorance you're american, automatically making you ignorant.

Kuzmich's ignorance shines again.

Originally Posted by Kuzmich

if your nation promises equality for all, then why does it not provide it?

Because of all the whacko liberals we have.

[Lights]

Originally Posted by Undead Cheese

Because of all the whacko liberals we have.

Dont forget the conservatives who will not accept that a person should be allowed to make personal decisions for themselves.

[Kuzmich]

Originally Posted by Undead Cheese

Kuzmich's ignorance shines again.

nice job contradicting yourself nubzor.

[l33t 0n3]

Well, Kuzmich's post was ignorant.
- Posting sarcasm in AS is suicidal :P
- Assuming americans are all ignorant is ignorant itself. I do say that a good 90% of americans are.
- It was spam, and all of your replies were. Make a thread in the asylum or leave it to one post total. Back on topic people.

@B~E - If I was turned down from a college, and a person with lower GPA and test scores was let in because of their race, that would really piss me off. Just look at the mexicans... They took er jerbs!

@UndeadCheese and Lights - Do not point the finger to liberals and conservatives. Both sides pussyfoot around this, so it is at the fault of both of them.

[B~E]

When you think about it, sure it does seems like everyone should be equale, regardless of race, sex, religion, ect, because it becomes discrimination and racism.

Then again, perhapes there is a need to force compagnies to accept minorities. But to be honest, this isn'T a subject I'm really knowledgable of, nor feel very concerned....

[Gedrin]

I take issue with the term reverse-racism. The reason is that discrimination based on race is just plain discrimination whether it's a white guy discriminating against a black guy or a black guy discriminating against a white guy it's the same thing to me; racism. That alone to me is a sign that things have gone too far.

I myself am annoyed that we can use race to determine who is eligible for a scholarship, and that it is even a factor for admission in any college.

I also think it is offensive to imply that any race is inferior by offering them special privileges so that they can compete. There are plenty of smart minorities just like there are plenty of smart people in the majority.

If you want a basis to discriminate on choose GPA, test scores, letters of recommendation (this one might apply more for grad schools), and an individuals work in the field they want to go into(this one might apply more for grad schools).

[B~E]

Originally Posted by Gedrin

I also think it is offensive to imply that any race is inferior by offering them special privileges so that they can compete. There are plenty of smart minorities just like there are plenty of smart people in the majority.

Well, they do start is a worst situation than caucasian, since they usualy are more poor, and certain compagnies may not hire them based on race.

[amrtin77]

usually. not always. and when you refuse to give financial aid to a poor white/asian kid, but give a rich black kid money for college, theres a problem. base financial aid on where the people come from... give people with low income families/neighborhoods help getting into colleges. sure, most of these people will probably be black. but not all, the other people growing up in the same conditions can get the same help blacks have been getting.

i dont see why race is part of the issue of financial aid AT ALL.

"should we give this poor person financial aid?"
"is he black?"

whats it matter? if he is, so be it, if he isnt, dont shut him out.

Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm

Well, they do start is a worst situation than caucasian, since they usualy are more poor, and certain compagnies may not hire them based on race.

i disagree. any basic understanding of economics will tell you that companies will hire whoever they think will be the best worker, give them the most bang for their buck. they dont want to pay someone who wont do the job. maybe small comanies run by one person would, like a little corner store. but not a company that hires alot of people.

if anything minorities get hired on in big positions to do nothing, just so they can say that they have minorities in their staff. ever hear of a token black guy?

let the companies hire whoever will do the best job, not hire because of race. thats a waste of money and time.