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CelestialBadger · 10-21-2004, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dreamcrusader

what Americans are

...as determined by Americans. Obviously there are reasons for a country's feelings towards us. The solution to this isn't to kick the shit out of anyone who disagrees with us.

dreamcrusader · 10-21-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Forged

Have you ever been to a school in Iraq? Or any school in the middle east for that matter? No, I didn't think so.

First, Saddam was a man, not a country. Second, just because people are not being taught what America wants them to be taught is no reason to invade them and kill 10,000+ civilians and over 1,000 American troops.

Just out of curiousty what do you think they should be taught about Americans? We are imperialistic capitalist, who piss on the poor and kill to get what we want?

I havent seen a school but I have seen a documentry on what they are taught. Have you seen that documentry? No, I didnt think so.

I never said Saddam was a country. And on your account its ok to let him go free even though he has killed thousands of kurds in his own country and kills his own civilians altogether? You think we piss on the poor? wow, your the usual everday radical liberal. We send more aid to countrys then you will ever know. We send aid to the whole ****ing world. Thats what Im saying, we are caring to other countrys. We send aid to a ton of them, but everyone thinks we arnt doing enough. Is it our responsobility to send aid and to care all together? Tell me that? It seems that you liberals want us to lend a helping hand to everyone in everyway as long as its not in any military style.

**Forged** · 10-22-2004, 04:48 AM

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havent seen a school but I have seen a documentry on what they are taught

I bet it was about as acurate as a micheal moore movie... Since I doubt middle eastern countrys let americans with cameras into all of their schools it was based on assumptions with maybe one or two shots of a real school...

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I never said Saddam was a country. And on your account its ok to let him go free even though he has killed thousands of kurds in his own country and kills his own civilians altogether?

I don't give a **** about saddam, his country, the kurds, or his people. If they are living such a terrible life let them rebel. Please don't say we are ruining 1000's of americans lives to help some forgein country out...

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ou think we piss on the poor? wow, your the usual everday radical liberal. We send more aid to countrys then you will ever know. We send aid to the whole ****ing world.

And we should stop, **** the rest of the world untill we have our own shit straightend out.

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everyone thinks we arnt doing enough. Is it our responsobility to send aid and to care all together?

No one is saying that. Well maybe a few people, but that isn't why the rest of the world hates us. They hate us because we are crooked, and we try and be the world ****ing police...

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It seems that you liberals want us to lend a helping hand to everyone in everyway as long as its not in any military style.

First, I am not all that liberal other than in the social sense, and second, when you try and help someone with your military you aren't really helping them...

AZN_FLEA · 10-22-2004, 08:31 AM

wtf? it aint matter what udder ****ries think of usa. george bush is a pretty good pres and as long as it is moral it doesnt matter

**Forged** · 10-22-2004, 02:44 PM

Do you want to be banned?

dreamcrusader · 10-22-2004, 05:49 PM

By your statistics are you also saying we should have never gone into WW2?

We killed over 100000 civilians in WW2. We bombed the hell out of Germany and France in their "citys" and dont forget our nukes in Japan. Yet we try our best to only hit "military" targets in Iraq...

But then agian Hitler never attacked us. It was Japan. So our landing at Italy and Normandy were pre-emtive strikes....

But at the same time we did it to help take preasure off of our allies, like Russia. Just as were are taking off preasure from Isreal and in the Gulf War, Kuwait...

Then we found out about Genocide later in WW2 as Hitler exterminated millions of Jews. Just as we found out Sadam had been using biological weapons on Kurds, killing tens of thousands...

So what am I leading to? Im saying that these men (hitler and sadam) had to be taken out of power and their army defeted because it was the best for their own people and for our allies. You cant judge a war on civilian casualties. Its unfortanate but unavoidible. Then your saying that WW2 wasnt worth it. Both men had to be taken out of power, and both men were.

Kuzmich · 10-22-2004, 08:25 PM

Hitler threatened the whole world. Everyone, including america. Saddam threatened no one, his people would eventually rebel and win. You came in, destroyed their way of life, their self-pride, their culture. You might think that working in a GAP brings happines to the arabs, but it doesn't. They lived their own way of life, you came in and destroyed it, also killing more civilians then Saddam ever did. As to answer the question of this thread. I think america should care. You liberately assumed the position of a world power, with that come responsibilities. If your allies don't like you then you are nothing, because of the set of morals you set up for yourselves.

dreamcrusader · 10-22-2004, 11:50 PM

We have allies such as Isreal and England. Saddam was a threat to no one you say? Tell that to the Isreal's who have been hit with missles launched by him. Tell that to Kuwait which whom he attacked. Your statistics are also wrong by the way. Saddam killed way more of his own populace than we have. And he did it on purpose. Its pathetic how we are giving away things in the world. Were feeding the Koreans so they can build nukes while we pay them money to not nuke us. We do care. Some people just dont get that we do.

Kuzmich · 10-23-2004, 12:00 AM

If you refer to your first post in this thread you will see that you were saying that US shouldn't care. Yet now you change your opinion. I never said US doesn't care, in fact i said that it does and it should (as long as it doesn't get involved with my country) i would have to say that your numbers are wrong, you killed more ppl then Saddam thats just truth, no way around it. Also you could have given Israel missiles, guns, but why the hell did you have to come in with your troops and ruining life for everyone?

dreamcrusader · 10-23-2004, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuzmich

If you refer to your first post in this thread you will see that you were saying that US shouldn't care. Yet now you change your opinion. I never said US doesn't care, in fact i said that it does and it should (as long as it doesn't get involved with my country) i would have to say that your numbers are wrong, you killed more ppl then Saddam thats just truth, no way around it. Also you could have given Israel missiles, guns, but why the hell did you have to come in with your troops and ruining life for everyone?

I dont belive that we should help other countrys, butwhat im saying is that we do. People just dont realize it. We have not killed more in the Iraq war btw. Saddam killed tens of thousands of Kurds in the Northern part of his country. With biological weapons too. And we arnt ruining life for everyone. I bet you wouldnt be too happy if you lived under a dictator who used bio-logical weapons on your own country men.

Kuzmich · 10-23-2004, 12:15 AM

But i would be even more unhappy if another country invaded my country and killed my family. He didn't kill 10s of thousands of Kurds he killed few thousand.

dreamcrusader · 10-23-2004, 12:39 AM

no. Thats not true. He killed 10,000 of them. Were finding some of the mass graves now

Kuzmich · 10-23-2004, 01:10 AM

You mind prooving that?

thebastardsword · 10-23-2004, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kuzmich

You mind prooving that?

i dont mind proving it for him

Mass Graves

Kuzmich · 10-23-2004, 01:17 AM

Alright i see your point, yet still you shouldn't have gone to Iraq, it was none of your business.

thebastardsword · 10-23-2004, 01:26 AM

so that in another 5-10 years, sanctions would become lifted and saddam would have the ability to build nukes? he definitly had the technology to produce them, he was just waiting. He even killed his own people while he waited too.

also, this is interesting

suspected wmds?

Kuzmich · 10-23-2004, 01:28 AM

The thing is he didn't have a technology to produce them. If he had any WMDs those would be the ones you gave him. the fact is he did not posses the technology to develop nukes. In 10-15 years nothing would have happened. I am saying that you shouldn't have gone to war, but you could have encouraged a rebelion.