Supernaturals and the such.

[Azurio]

We all (or most) know that in almost all beliefs, there is a supernatural entity of a sort. There are angels, devils, healers, and other supernaturals.

Angels. Are they celestial beings who guard the spiritual world that is our belief, or are they mere illusions, created to give us a reason to be good. Surely, Angels were shown in many religions, including Islam and Christianity.

Devils. Are they the opposite of Angels, and the servants of the darker force that inherits all of us, or are they but a mere threat, created to teach a lesson?

Healers. There are many stories, even today, of the unexplainable actions of many, such as curing the sick, healing the blind, and exiling "demons". Just as the example, Jesus, they have the powers to do what today's medical technology cannot do.

Supernaturals. Everything from hearing the little voice in your head that you presume, is god talking to you, to the ancient texts of spells and rituals. Divination, Alchemism, and Magery- is it real? The french oracle, Nostrodamus had many visions of the future- including WWII and of the destruction of the World Trade Centers. Surely he could not be a fake. Alchemy- much of it is proven to be false but who came up with the idea of turning iron into gold. There is evidence that it is possible, but what did they do? Somehow change the molecules and atoms of the structure? And what about magic? How was the power of healing possible, or any type of ancient sorcery in that fact?

In the fact of angels, they were first created by God in the chapter of Genesis. One of those was Lucifer, who became the first corrupt angel, who turned against God and became the devil. After that, the two forces of purity and evil were against each other from the beginning, with us humans being the prize. We either turn to one side, or the other, but is that really how it is? Healers are known to be those who walk in the side of light. They exile demons from the bodies of those who are possessed and do good. But there were also those who were on the evil side of the devil. These, in the bible, study magic which is known to be evil. A magician named Nicodemus witnessed a healing and he could not do the same which kind of relates that magic is not real, but that is for our own mind to decide.

On the other side, did magic ever exist? Does it still exist, or was it always a tale and superstition? There is a theory that it once did exist. That theory says that the world is surrounded by a globe of magic-blocking resistance- almost like the atmosphere, protecting us from Ultra Violet Rays. That “atmosphere” was once normal, allowing magic to flow into the world. But when the globe thins out in a spot, more magic is allowed in, thus causing storms and possible damage. If there is an entire rip in the fabric of the globe, this would cause an outpour of so much magic, that the land would just be literally destroyed. The flow would eventually be stopped, but the land would be dead of magic forever. The other side though, is that if the atmosphere thickens too much, it would prevent magic from coming down. This is of course a theory, but it is my theory.

[jd-inflames]

Magick is all a series of superstition. It truley shows how powerful the human mind is, because whether or not nobody wants to accept it, anything that we truly believe in can be done.

No, don't give me stupid replies such as "Ooh, so if I believe I can fly, I can?". No...you will never believe that just because deep down inside you know it can't be.

Magick is also a series of placebos. So if you believe you can heal yourself, you can. If you are sick, you can make yourself better. You may not be physically better, but you have overcome the sickness in your mind, and aren't ridden with it's ailments.

I have a hard time explaining this everytime I try...Magick is a large part of my religion, so yes, I believe in what I find to be real. And some Magick I have proven myself to be true. Any for everyone's information, I ALWAYS take science first...

[Azurio]

I understand what you're saying. Did you know that you don't actually have to catch your breath after a hard run? It's just your brain saying that. If you can conquer over your brain, you can run forever, or until you pull a muscle.

[Lights]

According to the Bible, magic of some sort does exist.

Exodus 7:10-12

10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

That is, unless the Bible is not to be taken litteraly. Which raises whole new debates.

[Jimbo]

meh,i think that magic is somewhat real,but not magic like you see on tv,like pulling rabbits outa hats,to me,the "magic" is a term to explain when somone does something that seams impossable,like healing or something,i think that exists,but not magic as in pulling things outa hats,or dissapearing

[[Berious]]

The Definition in the dictionary of Magic:

1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or
forces by invoking the supernatural.

2.
a. The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce
supernatural effects or control events in nature.

b. The charms, spells, and rituals so used.

3. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment.
4. A mysterious quality of enchantment.

adj.
1. Of, relating to, or invoking the supernatural

2. Possessing distinctive qualities that produce unaccountable or baffling effects.

According to the things in red, basically it can be Described, though harshly, as "Anything Relating to, or pertaining to the enchantment or the qualities that baffle or We cannont Define as truth" Or simply "Those Beyond belief unexplainable acts." In the Salem trials they Persecuted anyone that healed another useing herbs or other "Alienated" methods. This description of magic fits perfectly with what we now percieve as 'magic'. A Magician is amazing because we dont see the trap doors, Once we watch those "How I did the trick" specials or he messes up, Is the trick Magic anymore? Thats a Strong No. Although we may perceive a Slip of the wrist and the 'vanishing' of an object as magic it is really all smoke and mirrors. Now dont get me wrong, I believe in the supernatural. I have personally witnessed what I percieved as a ghost. Was it all just my eyes interpreting the light wrong? I personally like to think that it was actually a ghost or a guardian angel. The "magic" you see in wicca is another thing. The Envokement of evil forces is no modern thing. The bible makes it clear that the power was not given by God. Could that power be given by the devil? Possibly. Perhaps a Higher power other than The christian God is at work. I personally dont know. In my beliefs I know that my God is not an 'evil force'. The Devil is the giver of the 'power' in Wicca. My beliefs make it quite clear that satan wants to conquer people away from God.
Supernatural powers are a good magnet to reel people away from 'The right path'. Jesus made a statement of "If you have the faith of the mustard seed you can move mountains"(paraphrased) Depending on how you interpret that statement. It could mean that what you perceive to be true becomes truth, or faith in God gives you supernatural powers. Jesus believed as do I that he was Gods Son. If he Believed that to the point he would die for it, it would bring into the justification of all the miracle he performed. Buddah, the enlightened one, sat down and meditated till he reached nirvana as its told. If the story proves to be truth, then his full hearted faith in what he did Made truth.

17 And they did so; Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and struck the dust of the earth, and there came gnats on man and beast; all the dust of the earth became gnats throughout all the land of Egypt. 18 The magicians tried by their secret arts to bring forth gnats, but they could not. So there were gnats on man and beast. 19 And the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them; as the LORD had said.

Throughout the plagues of egypt the magicians duplicated the arts, perhaps they truly believed they had the powers, and on this unduplicatable miracle they doubted they had the power through the witness of Aaron and moses continuous miracles. They Believed that God had truly done the miracle. Bringing that into the discussion, there is much to be pondered on the topic, but its a fun topic to discuss nontheless.

[Azurio]

So are you saying that people that try to believe in magic and do all that stuff, don't really have any true belief, therefore not being anything more then a dreamer?