Paganism - The Untold Truth

[jd-inflames]

I knew I would end up having to do this eventually...so it is finally time to tell you all what I have discovered about myself, others, and a little on the pagan way of life.

The pagan religion is one of the oldest religions known to man, and probably the most diverse. The thing that I love the most about being pagan, is that I don’t have someone telling me what to believe and what not to. Pagan’s are all around you, whether you believe it or not. All those people around you who laugh in your face saying there is no god, well…we don’t really claim those people even though we should Pagan by definition is anything non-protestant. It also means heathen according to the dictionary…but that’s just what Christians call us, so ignore that definition for right now. When most people think of Pagans, they think of us being “witches” or “Satanists” or anything else you can think of. Some redneck asked me if I worshiped the devil just this weekend because of the pentagram I wear across my neck and the pentagram tattooed on my chest. I can assure you this, I don’t believe in the devil…so I especially don’t worship the goofy little bastard (but he is fun to write fiction about )

Back to what I was saying about what people think we are about, those people who aren’t so closed minds just think that we are a bunch of Wiccans. Wiccans are a pantheon of the Pagan’s path. Wiccan is to Pagan as Methodist is to Christianity. Unlike Christians, finding your Pagan pantheon isn’t quite very easy. There are literally hundreds…Wicca, Voodoo, Hoodoo, Santeria, Druidic (pretty dead at the moment), that’s just a few. And like many other lost souls out there, I haven’t discovered mine either.

People also think that those of us who are serious about our craft are crazy, well…think what you want. I used to think those people were crazy too until I saw it for myself, and I really started to believe it when I experienced it for myself. I remember the first ritual I ever performed, I took my pentagram, put it over incense smoke to symbolize fire, doused it in our version of Holy Water to symbolize water, put grass over it to symbolize earth, I think you can guess what I did for wind…and then for the fifth element, spirit, I did something that I didn’t expect to work. Something most Pagans don’t fool with because it’s known as dark magick, and definitely something that someone new to the craft shouldn’t do, but I bled for it. This is what truly made me believe. I took my knife and cut open my thumb and covered my medallion with blood. To my surprise, I looked down at my thumb to see the wound retract and all that was left was a small scar. Call me crazy, but that did it for me. I put on the necklace and felt the warmth from it immediately, I told it that I wanted power, and that’s exactly what it gave me. I know you don’t understand what I mean when I say power…but hopefully I can answer that with the proper question.

Telling what I’m telling right now to a group of non-believers is really not something that is normally done…but it needed to be.

I’m hoping for a large amount of questions to be asked…that way I can explain in more detail and will be able to tell everyone exactly what they want to know. Ask me something and I will try my best to answer it.

[Roach Of Discord]

I've always been interested in the paganism religion. Especially wicca. A few of my friends are pagans, so I do know some about the religion. I would love to learn more though. I find paganism to be great things to believe in. I also like the fact that they deal so much with nature...and not corruption/hate...or something negative like that. Hopefully this thread will help set people straight on what paganism is all about. I hate it when people refer to them as devil worshippers, or satanists. People shouldn't talk, if they don't know what they're even talking about.

[Jubba43605]

First time, I've heard about this. WHere you a paganist since uwere born? Or where ure parents the same?

[jd-inflames]

My parents raised me to be christian. They aren't religious themselves, but they wanted me to be for the morals involved in it. I didn't become a pagan until about 9-10 months ago.

And not all pagan pantheons deal with nature. Thats Wicca...another example of saying how most people think that all pagans are wiccan

Me, I don't believe in nature so to speak, I believe in energies. I draw from nature yes, I draw from people as well. Whatever gives me what I need. With energies, I can feel what people feel, think what people feel, so on and so forth. I cant do this with just anyone, but I have made people believe before. As an old gag trick of mine I used to make people grow goosebumps just by holding their hand. I would get hotter, they would get colder, hopefully you understand what I'm talking about.

[VegetaClam]

Thank you Brother JD, It's really a big step for you to Confess this. Maybe Your courage will lead others to come into the light....... So we can hunt down all you witches and burn you alive!
Naw I'm just kidding I have a great deal of respect for your style of belief. Following the Clam and his Teachings has led me to opportunities that others just dream about. I'm Glad that you bled. I can't stand people that worship but when it comes down to the pain or sacrifice they back out...

-Vegeta Clam

[Roach Of Discord]

Originally posted by jd-inflames
My parents raised me to be christian. They aren't religious themselves, but they wanted me to be for the morals involved in it. I didn't become a pagan until about 9-10 months ago.

And not all pagan pantheons deal with nature. Thats Wicca...another example of saying how most people think that all pagans are wiccan

Me, I don't believe in nature so to speak, I believe in energies. I draw from nature yes, I draw from people as well. Whatever gives me what I need. With energies, I can feel what people feel, think what people feel, so on and so forth. I cant do this with just anyone, but I have made people believe before. As an old gag trick of mine I used to make people grow goosebumps just by holding their hand. I would get hotter, they would get colder, hopefully you understand what I'm talking about.

Wicca is basically the only pantheon I know much about...which seems to be involved with nature quite a bit. That was what I was talking about

I take it pagan and wicca are two different things, correct?

I don't know much about the others.

lol @ clam

[Dark Blade]

Originally posted by RoaCh Of DisCord
I take it pagan and wicca are two different things, correct?

Of my knowledge which is very little, and happened to gain it from a friend who looks a lot like JD. Either way, Wicca is categorized under Pagan.

I kind of understand what you're saying about energies JD. It would explain why I do so well in some classes at school, and bad in some classes.


JD, if you can prove me wrong about my thing said to Roach, go ahead. I was just trying to answer it to the best of my knowledge.

[jd-inflames]

Don't worry DB, you were right Wicca is just a small portion of paganism.

And about how you do in your classes, that's not really energy, that's your mindset If you think you are going to do well in something then of course you are going to succeed. There's nothing spiritual about that one.

What I mean by energy, is just this little "something" that you can feel sometimes. You know when you feel strong, you feel this strange heat around you. And when you are scared or tired, that energy just seems to go ahead and you feel cold. It's all about balance really.

There is also a difference between good and bad energy...positive and negative if you want to think of it that way. This is what pagans mean when we say that we can see ghosts and demons etc. When we say that we can see such things, those shadows that just don't belong their, those little things with no form that just run across the street. That's what we call the negative energy. They make us really warm, but they also make us sick to our stomachs. It gives us kind of that nervous feeling...like the feeling when you know something is going to go wrong.

The moon is also a very important part to us, as is Samhein (pronounced "Sowen", what you would call Halloween). When the moon is full, we call that our "Veil". Those negative energies are a lot more hidden to us at this time...and when there is a New Moon (when you can't see the moon), the veil is down and we can see more than usual. Now, last Samhein we had a new moon, so we saw all kinds of weird **** the whole week before. Now in Murray, Kentucky (where I was during Samhein last year), weird stuff happens more often than where I live now, mainly because there are more pagans and other kind of cults...even worse cults...to stir bad stuff up. In Murray, they have their infamous Vampire cults, their Werewolf cults (which is NOT pagan just to let you know...they are on the same line as those idiot satanists), well...they like to stir up a bunch of things that they can't really see, nor handle like we could. Like I said before, everyone has the power to do these strange things, they just have to believe in the fact that it's possible. Don't believe everything you hear however, not everything is possible, seeing is believing after all.

[Thistle]

You say you draw from other people, could you be a psi-vampire? I have friends that are vampires, the psi kind and the sanguitarian(sp?) kind and they say that I have potential as a psi. I havent tried to learn anything about it though because iit kind of freaks me out..

[jd-inflames]

Never, would I EVER, claim to be a Vampire. Those people do nothing more than play a game that they don't understand. That's right, they play off things as a game...when all they are really doing is making a mess of things that they don't really understand nor know anything about. Vampire is a cult, not a religion...there is a movie, a true story actually, about the Murray Vampires. The movie was about a boy named Rod Ferrell...a very confused young boy at that. You can get more info about that one here

When I say draw from people, I mean that I can tap into their "bubble" as some preppy little girls call it, and feel the energy coming off of them. That is a rather difficult concept to explain, not because it's hard for me to word, but because it's hard to word to a group of non-believers. BUT, I can tell you now...what I do IS NOT a game...there are people out there who are older than most of your grandparents who have been beleiving in this stuff since they were children and haven't had anything to make them believe otherwise.

Sorry, I'm a bit emotional tonight...I had kind of a rough trip home tonight...can't really explain...

[Thistle]

hey i'm a strong believer in things that are considered, uh I can't find the word right now. I've grown up with divination (sp?) tools like tarot cards ouija boards pendulums and such because my aunt owns a shop with that stuff and i work part time in it.

[Static]

are pagans the ones that let their friends hoist them up on hooks??? I am starting to get into Buddhism, but I don't really know enough yet to defend it. But this paganism seems abit weird if you got evil spirits running across the streets...

anywho. My mom was talkin some crazy shank about how the 4 elements were given to 4 people and spread in different directions and the 4 elements represented different crap... is that paganism?

[Sakuhta]

Originally posted by RoaCh Of DisCord
Wicca is basically the only pantheon I know much about...which seems to be involved with nature quite a bit. That was what I was talking about

I take it pagan and wicca are two different things, correct?

I don't know much about the others.

lol @ clam

Unfortanutely my very annoying... 'ex'-friend is Wiccan.

But yes, they believe in 'The God and Godess' and the God is the Godess's son, and they're married. ^_^

And yes, they're all 'witches,' they all have a book of shadows, they think they can cast spells.

It's very funny really.

[shutupandgoaway]

I'm a Christian, I'd like to say a rather devout one, and I know for a fact that paganism works. I don't know a lot about it, so I'm not going to argue against It, as i can't do so in a reasonable manner.

[jd-inflames]

Originally posted by Faerie
hey i'm a strong believer in things that are considered, uh I can't find the word right now. I've grown up with divination (sp?) tools like tarot cards ouija boards pendulums and such because my aunt owns a shop with that stuff and i work part time in it.

Tarot cards are a very well known key for scrying, or trying to read the past, present, or future. Us pagans use it with each other seriously, and read the non-believers as a gag...sometimes telling what we truly see and baffle the person or just give them a false future and scare the piss out of em

Originally posted by Static
are pagans the ones that let their friends hoist them up on hooks??? I am starting to get into Buddhism, but I don't really know enough yet to defend it. But this paganism seems abit weird if you got evil spirits running across the streets...

anywho. My mom was talkin some crazy shank about how the 4 elements were given to 4 people and spread in different directions and the 4 elements represented different crap... is that paganism?

On hooks? Hell no that aint happening to me!!!...you got your religions crossed on that one...that's in the religion of "DumbAss". Buddhism however IS pagan. About evil spirits running across the streets...that kind of vision is a special gift to us...not everyone has it. As for the elements, yeah there are 4 physical, but you always need a 5th to represent the spirit.

Originally posted by Sakhuta
Unfortanutely my very annoying... 'ex'-friend is Wiccan.

But yes, they believe in 'The God and Godess' and the God is the Godess's son, and they're married. ^_^

And yes, they're all 'witches,' they all have a book of shadows, they think they can cast spells.

It's very funny really.

Coming into this closed minded will get you no where, not to mention your friend has a different belief structure than I do I find Wicca to be weak.

Originally posted by shutupandgoaway
I'm a Christian, I'd like to say a rather devout one, and I know for a fact that paganism works. I don't know a lot about it, so I'm not going to argue against It, as i can't do so in a reasonable manner.

That's because there is no way to argue against it without saying I'm christian so that makes you wrong. Pagans go under a simple structure of believe what you want, but know everything. You have a good attitude though.

[Thistle]

hey JD can you message me where you learned about this? I not nessescarily want to become pagan, but I find it interesting and would like to know more.

[jd-inflames]

I learned this from other pagans.

BUT, you can learn a lot of the same information that I have presented to you other places on the internet. Just search for pagan or magick.

[Megendo]

okay..well..i must say...yer a super fluff by all means. if you dont knwo what that term means...that thats all the more proof of you being one. yeah...you got a few things correct...but its the stuff we all know man...pagans are nature loving people...yep..its true, many sects..its true too..buuuuut...yer a dumbass. any realy pagan/wiccan wouldnt flaunt thier experiences around such as yer lil encounter with the unexplained (yer thumb) and they would know that its impossible. We real witches/pagans know our birthright power is in no way showy, and we just dont do crap like that. We are also taught that blood is hed in the cricle for no reason...ever. second of all..yer icon is also another BIG tip off of yer ignorance to any craft anywhere. Even satanists know that the the inverted pentagram is something a real pagan would never use cause its a show of evil. Just liek the inverted cross...its bad for the christains cause its against thier belifs...like the ultimate disrespect to thier faith...the inverted pentacle is the same for us. We dont use it. and you are no friggin guru kid...everyhing you say, post after post, makes you sound like a bigger loser cause of its wrongness and lameness. I dont wanna sound all vigilante here but honestly man, just stop while your ahead. you got these people to look like dumbasses along with you...so just...no...stop. i could go on...but...your not worth it kiddo

[Roach Of Discord]

If you went on any longer I'd vomit because of your ****ty spelling and grammar. Honestly, actually presenting your post in an intelligent way might make people take you more seriously.

[c9h13no3]

I dare say, classifying Vodun and Santeria as New Age or Pagan religion would be somewhat of a blunder.

You should be an Odinist so that way you can be racist.

But seriously, I tend to find Pagan///New Age stuff as pretty lame, since generally the practitioners just take what they want from all the world's religions with no respect to the actual traditions or ideals they hold. For instance, you classified Vodun//Vodou//Voodoo and Buddhism as Pagan. However, I don't really get how a belief system which preaches the ideal that there is no self can co-exist with a religion that places such an emphasis on existances of selves like Vodun. Vodun is very rooted in bodily experiances, and worldly things, while buddhism is not. And when people incorporate the two in the same religion, they generally just take the practices that seem "cool" to them from each religion, and call it paganism, when in fact, the two practices probably are done for two entirely opposite and opposing reasons.