Illegal immigrants suing US

[Master.America]

We're not supposed to be helping them illegally cross the border. It's a little hypocritical. With the way illegal immigrants are coming in here, Americans are going to be a minority in the US before too long.

[Forged]

ummm no...

[MacMan]

All people are created equal. If this were an American family suing no one would care. How does them being illegal immigrants justify their dying, possibly due to negligence, without consequences?

[thebastardsword]

Originally Posted by MacMan

All people are created equal. If this were an American family suing no one would care. How does them being illegal immigrants justify their dying, possibly due to negligence, without consequences?

was it an american relative(s) who were sueing or people from mexico?

[Onmyoji the Hidden]

I have avoided perusing this thread, and I should have continued to do so. But now that I have read it, I feel obliged to comment. I agree that the grounds of the suit are kind of ridiculous, alright let's move on. Let's move on to the hatred towards Mexicans and other illegal immigrants that has pervaded this thread (peace to those who posted rational replies). What gives? Do you how horrible it is to be poor in a country like Mexico? If you were in those peoples shoes and had the opportunity to better the lives of your family, even though it might be illegal, you would do the exact same thing. Anyone who wouldn't is lacking in the conscience department. For most of our illegals, there are no other options. And blaming a failing U.S. job market on illegals is absolutely ridiculous. What about widespread corporate outsourcing? All our industry is being moved overseas where labor is dirt cheap instead of paying Americans to do the work. Why don't you gripe about that? That is a real threat to American jobs.

[thebastardsword]

Originally Posted by Onmyoji_the_Hidden

I have avoided perusing this thread, and I should have continued to do so. But now that I have read it, I feel obliged to comment. I agree that the grounds of the suit are kind of ridiculous, alright let's move on. Let's move on to the hatred towards Mexicans and other illegal immigrants that has pervaded this thread (peace to those who posted rational replies). What gives? Do you how horrible it is to be poor in a country like Mexico? If you were in those peoples shoes and had the opportunity to better the lives of your family, even though it might be illegal, you would do the exact same thing. Anyone who wouldn't is lacking in the conscience department. For most of our illegals, there are no other options. And blaming a failing U.S. job market on illegals is absolutely ridiculous. What about widespread corporate outsourcing? All our industry is being moved overseas where labor is dirt cheap instead of paying Americans to do the work. Why don't you gripe about that? That is a real threat to American jobs.

you do understand that they have grocerys stores that are competly run by computers? if the "dirt labor" jobs were so in need, then the owners of the industry could make machines to help with the farm work or whatever.

my question for you is, should we open our borders to everyone, anyone that wants to live here can simply buy a home that they like and they are instatnly a us citizen?

the main problem is, mexico isnt the only country coming into the country illegally. There are others that do it too, asians from cargo ships, and then, they not only integrate into the country, but bring gangs and such.

[Onmyoji the Hidden]

Originally Posted by thebastardsword

you do understand that they have grocerys stores that are competly run by computers? if the "dirt labor" jobs were so in need, then the owners of the industry could make machines to help with the farm work or whatever

my question for you is, should we open our borders to everyone, anyone that wants to live here can simply buy a home that they like and they are instatnly a us citizen?

the main problem is, mexico isnt the only country coming into the country illegally. There are others that do it too, asians from cargo ships, and then, they not only integrate into the country, but bring gangs and such.

Grocery stores run by computers? Sure.

No, we should not open our borders to everyone. That would be insane; not even close to an option. However, we need to consider the root of the problem. Why not make a real effort (not our current sorry excuse for foriegn aid) to improve the conditions in these countries so people don't have to illegaly come here? Why is it our resposibility you ask? Well, it's not just ours, but get this... Proportionate to GNP (gross national product), America is at the bottom of the list (yes, we are the least giving nation on the planet) in charitable giving (even thought the actual figure is the highest). We can afford to help Mexico. We don't though, because there is no potential for us to make money in doing so (although we do make out like bandits when dealing with the current corrupt government in Mexico). And don't give me the lame "we have homeless and starving here in the U.S., we should worry about that, not giving money to other countries" line either. We can our own problems and more. Bottom line: We are a nation filled to the brim with cash (even though only 1% of America controls 90% of the money), we are just too greedy to give it up, and then we get pissed off when people living in squalor in other countries try to sneak in and try to get some of that cash for their families. Why not help them? What is so wrong with helping those in need? Where the hell did we (not just americans, humans in general) lose sight of what's right? Alright, I'm getting all emotional now... I'll stop. Sorry.

[Static]

They Took Our Jobs!!!
Der Der Der!!!!

lmao, classic. duka duka!!!!!!

But seriously, its like me sueing a rape victim for giving me the clap.

[thebastardsword]

Originally Posted by Onmyoji_the_Hidden

Grocery stores run by computers? Sure.

http://www.netgrocer.com/

theres one, all you need are drivers to take deliveries from house to house, and if u say someone needs to do that job...well, youve got kids(18+) that could do the job just as easily as anyone else.

about the rest of your post, the thing is, if we really really really wanted to push capitalizm and such to upgrade poor third world countries, not only would it cost MASSES ammounts of money and send contractors, and other people to work on the place. you would need to make sure the government doesnt **** it up...wait, that sounds a lot like imperialism to me

[MacMan]

"Watch out! The Mexicans will steal your 18-year-old's job working for computers!!1!"
I don't see how your example of automation is relevant to the argument that immigrants "steal" jobs. Onmyoji brought up outsourcing, that's something much more impacting on jobs than immigrants.

This isn't a video game, you don't "upgrade" third-world countries. In theory, foreign aid doesn't "push" anything but, get this, aid.

(I really like how your link to imperialism is a perfect description of Iraq at the moment. It's sad because it's true.)

[thebastardsword]

what else can you really do other than take over the place? maybe big corporations is the way to go instead of government....

[MacMan]

Originally Posted by thebastardsword

what else can you really do other than take over the place?

Are you ****ing serious?

[Hot Action Akule]

dont blame him he isnt responsible for his remarks. Mommy dropped him a few times.



I think its stupid. You broke the law and came into our country illegally. Im sorry you died, but ****, what do you expect?

[Onmyoji the Hidden]

Originally Posted by thebastardsword

http://www.netgrocer.com/

theres one, all you need are drivers to take deliveries from house to house, and if u say someone needs to do that job...well, youve got kids(18+) that could do the job just as easily as anyone else.

I wasn't saying sure in disbelief, I was saying it with sarcasm.

There is no way that automated grocery stores are having any real impact on the American job market.

As far as your perception of aid giving organizations as tools of imperialsm, in some cases your perception is correct, but that usually only takes place when domineering corporations are giving the "aid" (actually unrepayable loans that mess up the country even more, even though the funds are used to improve the country). Read the article entitled "Economic Hit Man" in the 2005 Jan-Feb issue of UTNE magazine (Borders carries the mag), you'll see what I mean. There are, however, plenty of aid giving organizations that operate with pure intentions. There is no reason to let a few bad apples spoil the whole bunch (too use a hackneyed expression). Improving the quality of life in poor countries is ENTIRELY possible, all the rich people (with a few exceptions) just don't want to give up any of their precious money. It's a sad state of affairs.

[Forged]

they not only integrate into the country, but bring gangs and such.

Funny that you say that, origionally there weren't gangs in mexico. The young vatos here who get sent back to mexico brought gangs to mexico. Before that there weren't any.

On a side note, has anone seen A Day without Mexicans It is a pretty good movie, and might bring into light some of the good things illegal immigrants provide.

[thebastardsword]

Originally Posted by MacMan

Are you ****ing serious?

im as serious as michael jackson thinks he is white


anyways, no i havent seen the movie a day without mexicans do enlighten me. Anyways, not everyone in the country cares about it. I mean, when you are pretty much PAYING them to have kids here, why the hell wouldnt you?

And are there other ways for the illegal immigrants from mexico to better themselves other than coming to the US?