A Comprehensive Comparison

[bamthedoc]

A Comprehensive Comparison:
Tyrants Through the Ages

This post will be about two of the worst, in my opinion, tyrants in history and 20th century. I'll start with the most modern one to have been taken down. I thinik you all know what I'm talking about...

Saddam Hussien, a tyrant who has most recently been taken down, and it's about time. As with all tyrants of the 20th century, several major mistakes have been made in dealing with him. The worst of which occured in 1992 when we left Iraq and broke a promise made. Not only did Saddam Hussien kill thousands of Kurds and anyone else who rebeled, the Iraqis lost trust in our service men and women. However, he was finally taken down in 2003 in a massive raid against Tikrit. We now have massive support from Iraqis because we are rebuilding what was damaged and/or lost, training Iraqi security forces to take over and trusting them to handle situations, and keeping with our June/July deadline to hand over, at least partial, control to an Iraqi government.

However, why call him a tyrant or even compare him to the worst of all time -- or even place him so high on my list? Let's look at what our troops found as they moved into Iraq. Saddam Hussien was in possession of illegal arms, including SCUDS, when he shouldn't have even had most of his "legal" arms. UN Weapons Inspectors told the world that Saddam Hussien was hiding his WMD, but many (most?) ignored them. Were they there? Yes. Are they there? Some may still be, but I doubt all/most of them remain. Saddam Hussien's own cousin, Hussien Saddam, even told the world that he had a nuclear arms program.

We ignored a threat for more than a decade. What does this remind you of? I'll answer that question with my next tyrant of choice. I have a few more clues for you, however. Saddam Hussien had concentration camps, that some of his tribe called jails, but they caused the same reaction to our troops when we found them as in another war. We were surprised and disgusted at just how bad these "jails" (let's agree to call them concentration camps from now on) were and how similar they were other concentration camps we had found.

Saddam Hussien garnered support from his own tribe through "ethnic" clensing against other Muslim tribes. Tikrit, Baghdad, and other towns his tribe lived in prospered while towns to the north and south were drained in order to support the building of retreats, mansions, and prosperity for Saddam Hussien and his family.



I will now answer my previous question. The name of the next tyrant, and arguably the worst in history, is Adolph Hitler. He was ingnored for a very long time and building up arms where the Treaty of Versailes (sp?) stated that Germany could not build up an army. He built concentration camps to deal with the "Jewish and other minority question" that he outlined in Mein Comph.

Hitler, himself, built retreats and mansions for himself with the money he "procured" by stuffing Jews, Blacks, and other "minorities" into cheap ghettos and concentration camps. Our troops were in shock, surprised and disgusted, when they ran across the first concentration camps. They were even more disgusted when they heard the Red Army found crematoriams in the Eastern Camps.



One very similar trait these two share is a multitude of mental disorders. They were paranoid dillusional, bipolar, dillusional of granduer, and mutliple others that I dare not even try to list.



What is the major difference between these two particular tyrants? Adolph Hitler was a political genious. He was also quite intelligent, though his mental disorders throws that into disarray. He was also not very tactical or militarily minded. Saddam Hussien was a military man. He wasn't very intelligent, but, nontheless, he can't be discounted.

[Plumpamania]

The Saddam/Hitler comparision is very commonly seen (well in college courses I'm taking), but there is a better comparision.

As you said Adolf was a political genious and was one of the best orators in the last century. But Saddam is much closer to another dictator.

And this dicatator Otto would recognize, his name is Josef Stalin.

They both killed massive amounts of their own people to stay in power, and were never really a threat as a single country as Germany was under Hitler.

That is a better comparision.

[bamthedoc]

^_^ Josef Stalin and John Linon were my next two. I don't want to give everything in one post. I'd compare most/all tyrants through history to one-another

[Plumpamania]

Hehe, that would be fun though.

I'm a history major :P

So yea, that would be fun.

But to compare Hitler and Hussien is hard for one of the only few things they have in common is that they are dictators and their last names begin with an "H".

[bamthedoc]

I mentioned the concentration camps, stockpiling of arms that they shouldn't have, and a variety of other things. Perhaps I should compare one more thing they have in common: occupation.

The US occupied Germany for 40 years after the war. During the occupation, especially in the early years, there were insurgencies from those most loyal to Hitler. These after-war battles resulted in hundreds of casualties that have been left out of history books. There were also battle-stressed personel who killed their own.

Iraq has been occupied for a little over a year, now, and we are beginning to see the first traces of insurgency by those most loyal to Hussien. However, fewer have died in two years with Iraq than died in one day in Vietnam or WWII.

Interesting Factoid: We have more allies in Iraq than we had in WWII.

[Kuzmich]

To give you some hints on Stalin. He killed 30 million russians, and he was genius enough to make it so no one of his people or the citizens of USSR knew that. 30 million people were being murdered in silence, and those who were left to live thought that Stalin is if not a god, then someone who was favored by one. He was the worst tyrant in history, cause he did the most harm to his people. He almost lost a WW2 for Russia, he dissarmed our army 2 months before German attack, while his secret intellegence was telling him that Germans will start a war, as a result, 5 million Russian soldiers ended up dead in first 2 weeks of the war, they were forced to fight with sticks and stones against machine guns. Although an average Russian was tough (killing a wild bear alone with a wooden spear was considered fun in those days, many people did that.) still machine guns cant be argued with by sticks. Who was that other dictator? Linon? You mean Lenin?

[Plumpamania]

Stalin was surely worse than Hussien was. Hussien was surely sick and devastating, but Stalin will forever be famous for his ability to kill his own and not be overthrown.















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[Kuzmich]

Yeah, he wasnt overthrown becasue first thing he did was to kill everyone who could overthrow him and replaced them with those loyal to him.

[bamthedoc]

Yeah... I misspelled that other name. He was the one who killed the Czars for "betraying the people" and others for the same reason. He was just scared they'd regain favor because he was losing it. Lenin also didn't have as much time as Stalin to kill.

[Kuzmich]

Lenin didnt kill the Czar, he arrested them, but then white army came to moscow and layed siege to the city, the people in the city killed the Czar and his family without Lenin knowing, he wasnt an idiot he needed Czar as a hostage, but his less bright followers thought differently. Lenin did kill lots of people, but unlike Stalin he actually tried to do what was good for the average people, he devided the land and destributed it amongst peasants.

[Plumpamania]

That is communism, not necessarily what is best for the people. They did that in Mexico and does it look like a good country to live in?

[Kuzmich]

Well, Mexico is Mexico, but USSR was a world super power.

[Plumpamania]

Not until during the brief reign of communism that worked at first but failed during the Cold War.

[Kuzmich]

We were still a world super power during cold war, its after we lost it. Right now Russia is just a regional superpower, but we gonna keep climing until we are a world super power again.

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

Iraqi security forces to take over and trusting them to handle situations,

A lot of them are actually supporting the freedom fighters =/.

Bush is more like Hitler than Saddam in a lot of ways some people woul say.

One very similar trait these two share is a multitude of mental disorders. They were paranoid dillusional, bipolar, dillusional of granduer, and mutliple others that I dare not even try to list.

Doubtful.

The US occupied Germany for 40 years after the war

And allies?

[Kuzmich]

People help, i cant acess my Edit profile option, it says i dont have permission to, it was fine 5 minutes ago, plz help me. I know i am spamming bu that is better then getting banned for having a big sig.

[bamthedoc]

A lot of them are actually supporting the freedom fighters =/.

That's mostly wrong. They are negotiating with the insurgants and cooperating with US and ally forces.

Bush is more like Hitler than Saddam in a lot of ways some people woul say.

I'm not exagerating when I say people who compare Bush to Hitler are complete morons.

Doubtful.

What? They do/did have multiple mental disorders.

And allies?

I'm sorry... I thought that was obvious.

[Kuzmich]

Bushand Hitler were alike exept for ambition, Hitler had mroe of it, thats why he went against the world.

Now lets do Lenin/Stalin comparison i already said some things, but someone might know more.

[N[U]TS]

Originally posted by Otmorozok
Well, Mexico is Mexico, but USSR was a world super power.

Mexico wasnt always crapy........ and i still consider it to be a beautiful country. Also their isnt a middle class in mexico; either your rich or poor.

[Kuzmich]

Isnt it like all desert in Mexico? I prefer giant forests, and grasslands of Syberia.