Philosophy of the Matrix

[Static]

It has alot to do with Philosophy such as skepitism(not sure if that is the real name for it), determinism, fatalism, and some others....

things like cypher's choice and other things can be debated...

someone start this mother up and we shall getta rollin'

[~Canuck~]

Damn i can't really offer much input into this, but i shall enjoy the read when it does start. I am going to take philosophy next year, and they do study the matrix. So gogog people debate this issue.

[Static]

if someone has any questions that can start a debate or something.... my friend said it has to do with the bible alot to...

like in the first matrix Neo broke into room 303 to get to the phone then smith shot him... jesus rose on the 3rd day (easter). And neo rose from being dead to become the one. It also has alot of biblical terms like... neo, trinity, morpheus, zion.

[Galatia]

The philosophy of the Matrix is quite simple:

The only thing that can beat evil is free will. We all have the power to beat evil. Everything is a matter of choices and life is a series of choices.

[Static]

I dont think you can bring such a deep movie dont into words like that.

Because Neo did not want to die... it wasnt his choice to be killed. It was just the only way that he would be able to save the world.

so lets toss that one into the air.

you can also talk about the merovingian's thoughts on causality.... no coinsedence, only consequence. (bad spelling)

[Thistle]

The matrix IS a deep movie but there are to many points of veiws to discuss.... Its like discussing If god exists, the contreversy will never end

[cxoli]

The matrix IS a deep movie but there are to many points of veiws to discuss.... Its like discussing If god exists, the contreversy will never end

That's true. There are so many points you could argue and so many different ways to interpret everything that it's impossible to cover it all.

When I watch the Matrix, I'm thinking, "Wow, this is kickass," not, "Wow, I can see how that relates to the Bible." But I can respond in such a way if people want to give me something to comment on :P Though I don't know much about philosophy....

I dont think you can bring such a deep movie dont into words like that.

Because Neo did not want to die... it wasnt his choice to be killed. It was just the only way that he would be able to save the world.

Whee, I can relate that to the Bible! Jesus didn't want to die, either, but he did because he knew it was the only way he could save the people of the world. In a sense, he was sacrificed for the good of humankind. This is the same with Neo; he is sacrificed so that Agent Smith can be defeated and Zion will be saved. Neither of them want to be killed, but they go through with it anyway. That can relate to what Galatia said:

The only thing that can beat evil is free will. We all have the power to beat evil. Everything is a matter of choices and life is a series of choices.

They choose to give up their own lives to save the lives of many others.

if someone has any questions that can start a debate or something.... my friend said it has to do with the bible alot to...

like in the first matrix Neo broke into room 303 to get to the phone then smith shot him... jesus rose on the 3rd day (easter). And neo rose from being dead to become the one. It also has alot of biblical terms like... neo, trinity, morpheus, zion.

I hadn't thought of the 3 thing, but it makes sense. The major Biblical symbols that come ot my mind are the names; Neo is the One, Trinity refers to the holy trinity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, etc. Also, at the end of Revolutions, Neo's position when he dies resembles Jesus' position on the cross.

That's all I can think of right now. I'm curious to see what other people have to say ^_^

[drax]

And Trinity, like the Holy Trinity, Zion, most things in it can be related to the Bible in one way or another.

As cxoli said before, when you watch it you aren't thinking about how it relates to the Bible.

By the way, who really cares how it relates to the Bible? It's just a movie about machines and stuff.

[Dark Blade]

Originally posted by cxoli
Neo; he is sacrificed so that Agent Smith can be defeated and Zion will be saved.

It was saved for then.



I recall a comment from the architect at the end of the movie, "How long will this false peace last?"


Hinting towards another war, and possibly Matrix 4.

[cxoli]

It was saved for then.

What do you mean? That his death was saved for the end of the third movie? Still, what I'm talking about is that for the character of Neo, his death was, in a sense, his own choice. I mean, it's not like he had to go into the very center of the machine city....

I recall a comment from the architect at the end of the movie, "How long will this false peace last?"


Hinting towards another war, and possibly Matrix 4.

Haha, I could relate that to the Bible/Christianity, too. After Christ was killed, it seemed there weren't going to be any more problems with his followers, but eventually they ended up creating what is now a huge religion. It was sort of like a "false peace" when everyone thought they had dealt with the conflict of the Christians.

Maybe someday, there will be a war over religion, or at least some sort of renewed conflict. Even now, there are problems, and it is almost as though we are in need of another Messiah. Maybe there will be a Matrix 4, too, where they are looking for the next person who is "the One." At this point, I'm not really looking forward to either one :/

[Malcom Sex]

Fighting over religion is like fighting over who has the better imaginary friend (i took that from somewhere) If neo could kill all those little bombs y couldnt he have defended Zion by himself? Kinda stupid aint it?

[cxoli]

Fighting over religion is like fighting over who has the better imaginary friend (i took that from somewhere)

Haha, that's actually a pretty good point. Fights over religion never get anywhere because no one ever wants to change their beliefs :P

If neo could kill all those little bombs y couldnt he have defended Zion by himself? Kinda stupid aint it?

Umm, because there were too many and he wouldn't have been able to handle it in the event that ALL the machine were sent to attack Zion? Actually, I have no idea. I guess he figured the real problem was Agent Smith, and he could "buy" the safety of Zion for a longer period of time if he made a deal with the machines.

[Kuzmich]

I dont get it, if machines killed Smith by sending electric shock through neo who was infected, then why didnt they just take any other infected human and give him/her a shock?

[The7thCircuit]

The Wachowski Brothers (writers of the screenplay for The Matrix) have that knack of throwing every piece of symbolism and theology that they could cram into 3 movies. I think allot of people liked the first matrix more than the other two movies mainly because it achieved an artful balance of the action/storyline progression with the philosophy underlying it all. The next two movies seemed to be MUCH more prone to carrying on and waxing philosophical(sometimes to the point of feeling like you're at a lecture more than a theatre) but at any rate the ideas/problems which the movie presents to the viewer are all worth further investigating, a variety pack if you will... for some writings directly related to the movie, go here

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rl_cmp/phi.html

, as they focus on specific points of discussion that could be brought to this board quite easily....cheers...

[Magikarp]

Originally posted by Galatia
The philosophy of the Matrix is quite simple:

The only thing that can beat evil is free will. We all have the power to beat evil. Everything is a matter of choices and life is a series of choices.

Yes, Mother Teresa.

The biggest thing about the Matrix that appealed to me in a philosophical way was the question about what is reality and the whole "You could be living in a computer simulation where your brain is interpreting signals" argument. Of course, such a simulation would be mind-bendingly hard to create, and would probably require an unfathomable amount of software and all that good stuff.

[Plumpamania]

Yes, the Matrix used many references from the Bible from Morpheous and Trinity and the Nevercanezer (however you freakin' spell it).


But the Movie was based off of a VIDEO GAME. If you looked at the thread I had started awhile ago LoTR VS Matrix.

(Just for reference it was voted on that LoTR as better).

But I did post up some sites where it showed a game called ShadowRun (SNES/Genesis) where characters plugged into a world called "The Matrix". A computerized world where they had to fight off computer agents. HMMMM...

And on the Nintendo website ShadowRun doesn't show to be existed. But that's b/c the Brothers had bought the rights to it, otherwise they'd be sued for using copyrighted material.

Just in case you don't believe me: http://members.chello.at/theodor.lau...s/shadowrn.htm

Check that out.

A direct quote from one if the sites links:
http://members.chello.at/theodor.lau.../intro.htm#gen

"Deckers are primarily useful in handling trips into the Matrix. They also usually carry a firearm and armor."

The Matrix was a great first movie and blew it on the 2nd and 3rd ones. Just huge disappointments.

Philosophically it was decently written, but I would think if I had five years to write a script on something that I wanted, I could make it just was well if not infinitly better written than what had happened.

They copied a VIDEO GAME, the Bible and Greek Myths, and couldn't come up with ONE original thought.

Wow.

[Static]

Originally posted by Razael
It was saved for then.



I recall a comment from the architect at the end of the movie, "How long will this false peace last?"


Hinting towards another war, and possibly Matrix 4.

no that acctually opened up the plot for the new video game they are coming out... the Matrix online. Its gonna be sweet

[Kuzmich]

It should, i mean the Matrix and online, hope its you wont have to pay each month for playing.

[Plumpamania]

Or be a gook by default. Even though LoTR was much better than teh Matrix.

[dP]

4 words: there aint no matrix