Politically Correct and Historically Inaccurate

[bamthedoc]

Remember the Alamo
A Disney Film

In yet another flop by Disney, a politically correct movie displays horrible historical inaccuracies and, yet again, is destined to fail. This is the third HI-FI movie Disney has released, in a row, that has failed in the Box Office because they say Based on a True Story and then mess it up by not representing facts in it, correctly.

With such greats as The Rookie under Disney's belt of good and accurate movies, why can't they bring what they've brought to the sports genre to movies like Remember the Alamo? It is disappointing, really. I'm sure Walter Disney is turning in his grave.

[Korittke]

it doesnt matter if its historically correct. good gawd its a film for kids, not a freaking documentary. i dont think it could be considered propaganda or any other type of weird shit

[Kuzmich]

Yeah i am sure that somethere it says that "this film is a dramatization of true historical event" by dramatization they can mean anything they want.

[amrtin77]

you guys arent american i dont expect you to know what the alamo is i guess... its in our war with mexico, well texas' war, they were not yet a state. a few hundred texans sat in their fortifications got totally surrounded by the mexican army and refused to surrender. they went all corny and decided to fight to the last man... which is wht they did. the mexicans took them after a few days and killed everyone there because they wouldnt surrender.

this movie is supposed to be historically accurate and show both sides of the story (instead of americans massively killing mexicans and showing overwhelming superiority and cheesyness) but i havent seen it... but i guess bams is saying its not as accurate as its supposed to be. i dont like war movies that are inaccurate. i dont know too much detail bout the alamo as it is.. but i think they should show it accurately.

[Kuzmich]

I know about Alamo, i also know that those texans were fighting to make their own country but guess what texas was annexed by US. You took Mexican land unfairly in the first place.

[amrtin77]

yeah, we did. we were very imperialistic in those times. stole alot of mexican lands. even tried taking land from england (whats now canada) and didnt gain anything.

the point of the thread is how the battle is being portrayed in a false light. i havent seen the movie so i wouldn know... but hell, freedom of speech. they can shoot bullshit out of their asses all they want, but this was supposed to be historically accutare i believe..

[Kuzmich]

It is a moviey, and it is an action movie, they try to make the things more colorful and ofcourse play favorites, i can imagine they show something like untrained civilians killing trained mexican soldiers and exchange is 1 american : 10 mexicans

[B)ushid(o]

1. Texas was fighting to join the United States.
2. The United States was divided over the issue of Texas joining since it would make. more slave states than free states.
3. Sam Houston (President of Texas) tricked the United States into accepting Texas as part of their countr.y.
4. Mexico is angered because the government there still views. Texas as part of their country.
5. The United State.s. crushes Mexico.

The Alamo

Even though the defenders of the Alamo were outnumbered 1200 or something Mexicans were killed mainly because the defenders had a DEFENSIVE position with walls surrounding the place. It took 12 days. before the Mexicans broke down the wall and once the walls were down the Mexicans had an easy time. taking down the defenders. The defenders weren't untrained only maybe a few. of them were. Mny were frontiersmen and were able to use a gun quite well.

[Steven22]

If its going to be about our history it might as well be correct. Its stupid to feed kids bull shit about what happened in whatever point in time in our history, if they are going to learn cruel the truth in the future.
If they are going to lie about those Mexicans handing them a plate of their ass, what is the point of the movie? Sure, you might think its just entertainment, but what if in Germany they make movies geared toward children, about them winning WWII? It makes no sense.

[mistro5000]

the alamo was way more obscure than ww2, and it is a better story. a last stand of the great US against the mexican "bad guys" or the great dictator defeats the evil degenerates and take over the world even though they are still in a little country in europe. which one is easier to market to little kids? and how are they going to grasp the concept of americans getting completely decimated but still having texas in america today? and what kind of parent would take thier kid to a movie where americans die? would you take your kids to see americans die?

[Kuzmich]

Actually one, WW2 is a better story, two Americans are the bad guys not mexicans. To answer your last question, yes i would. In almost every american movie americans die. So basically if do what you say, kids can only watch movies about talking dogs, and cratoons about farm animals, who never die, yet we have ham.

[bamthedoc]

Actually, the US were the "good-guys." That doesn't mean that Mexico were the "bad-guys," however. Texas wanted to become part of the US, but relations between the US and Mexico were a little...strained, and they didn't want to risk war. Yes, that's actually true. There were diplomatic relations between the US and Mexico.

Texas was a "free state" at the time under tyranny. The Alamo wasn't between the US and Mexico. It was between the Texan army and marauders, whose side I don't recall being on. After that, the US got involved, some misunderstandings came between relations, and Mexico went to war.

It's a history that has become obscure with time and constant retelling. WWII is generally a better story, though, as it's more definate.

[ORC-r0x0r-ROC]

I am guessing that it is a Disney movie so all the bloody parts that should be there are almost non existent. Disney is American so telling American kids about the not so good side of their country would be damaging for disney.

This movie is a great insult to Mexicans especially if they missed the part out where America did they their land unfairly in the first place and started it. I am assuming that the Americans are going to be portrayed as heroic and that they were heavily out numbered and against the odds( Some was true, but they were the ones with the fort).

I will need to see the film before I say how inaccurate it was, but it would be a educated guess to assume that it is steered towards the Americans and the Mexicans as "evil". Why don't they have a film that shows the Mexican and/or the Texan story to this?

They would probally be a lot more historicaly accurate than the Disneys altered tale of events. Disney has never really been historically accurate, most of the movies are about fairy tales and shit like that. Who expects Disney to be accurate? Not me, they may say they are but you can't take them to court for it.

[Kuzmich]

Originally posted by bamthedoc
Actually, the US were the "good-guys." That doesn't mean that Mexico were the "bad-guys," however. Texas wanted to become part of the US, but relations between the US and Mexico were a little...strained, and they didn't want to risk war. Yes, that's actually true. There were diplomatic relations between the US and Mexico.

Texas was a "free state" at the time under tyranny. The Alamo wasn't between the US and Mexico. It was between the Texan army and marauders, whose side I don't recall being on. After that, the US got involved, some misunderstandings came between relations, and Mexico went to war.

It's a history that has become obscure with time and constant retelling. WWII is generally a better story, though, as it's more definate.

But, texas was Mexican territory, but a lot of americans came in and started living there.

Now a really good movie is "enemy at the Gates"

[bamthedoc]

Texas wasn't Mexican territory; though, it fell under either the scrutiny of the Mexican "king" or decree of the Mexican law, to an extent. It was a free state that wanted to be part of the US. Because this presented multiple problems, the US didn't want to have Texas. These problems were diplomatic strain it would create and slave state numbers.

Neither side can be classified as good or bad. The Alamo wasn't between Americans and Mexicans; it was between Texans and marauders. I cannot stress this enough; Texas was a free state that was on US and Mexican boarder.

I've heard the Disney movie inaccurately portrays both sides as having an "absoluete" good/bad-guy standing. I think I heard that the US are "bad-guys" in the movie, but I don't really care. If they're going to say that it's based on history, it had better not be HI-FI, or historical-fiction.

[Kuzmich]

But it was Mexican territory, can you provide a link there it says it isnt?

[bamthedoc]

You do realize I also said that the history surrounding it is obscure, right? Anyway, Texas was labeled as a "free state" at the time. I'll look it up, of course, but, through constant retelling and changing in history books based on political correctness and economocists falsehoods, it's unlikely I'll find anything that I'd stake my reputation on.

I do know for a fact that Texas was a free state. It wasn't Mexican territory; though, we wanted to take some after the war (ala Rio Grande). A lot of talks got us New Mexico and Nevada, I belive, due to the Rio Grande boarder decision. I think we had to name New Mexico what we did because of the talks...

If I recall correcly, Mexico had claims, not "federal" (ownership), really, but they got to determine some things that an imperialistic government would (ala Great Brittian over American Colonies).

[Kuzmich]

Still "enemy at the gates" is a far better movie then "alamo" i watched both, trust me.

[bamthedoc]

I'd believe you.

I just found some information. It's mainly about the premise of the movie...

It shows the Mexican Army as bad-guys. It is historically inaccurate to show either the US or Mexico as good/bad-guys. Neither country got involved until certain events occured. The US got involved because of outrage of the massacre at the Alamo. Mexico got involved because the US did.

I didn't find a good site, yet... I guess I'm not ver good at googling...

[Dark Blade]

Originally posted by Otmorozok
It is a moviey, and it is an action movie, they try to make the things more colorful and ofcourse play favorites, i can imagine they show something like untrained civilians killing trained mexican soldiers and exchange is 1 american : 10 mexicans

There was about 150 men in the American militia at the Alamo, and 2,000 men in the Mexican. The Mexican's lost over 600 soldiers. More like 1 : 4-5