Free will does not exist o.O

[Magikarp]

Mwa ha ha. People these days are still infatuated with the idea that they have free will. What baloney.

Free will is the suggestion that things are random, that you are actually making choices. Nothing is ever truly "Random." Everything happens because of the factors of something else. You think your making decisions? Wrong. Your brain is producing certain chemicals and hormones into your body that conceive with many other factors to produce your "decision."

Free will is just a fabrication. Everyone is on a set path. If you rewinded time, the same thing would just happen..

Your all robots, face it! (Such an optmistic post, I know).

[amrtin77]

hahah ive thought about this... ALOT. and came to the conclusion that there will NEVER be a way to tell if its true or false. EVER. even if you make a time machine to see if something would have happened again or if it would change - it may repeat 193584623 times, or it may change every time. either way, you may have been set to make that time machine.

[Miss]

Free will is a work of the mind though, therefore is a real thing. Someone can achieve free will with the right mind.

[IDefy]

So your telling me whether I can put the peanut butter on the toast or not?

Am I not in total control of that decision?

[amrtin77]

hes saying your "decision" is influenced 100% by your past and your genetics. you cant really deny it as that is all that we know of that makes a human... the persons social environment and their genes. unless you believe in souls this theory is likely correct.

[Miss]

Otherways its based off cause and effect. What shapes your decisions. And you still can't prove free will. Basically now this is the case of belief.

[amrtin77]

i dont take sides. i know i can think things through myself (as far as im cnocerned) and im responsible for my actions as they were deliberate (in my mind and on my part making the action)

if you believe in free will, or complete cause and effect it doesnt matter. you in essence "make decisions" just, the decisions are based on the limited knowledge and mindset you have. no one knows everything. either way, you have to make a pretty unbased assumption.

[Green(Sphere)]

or rather saying that your genes say if you like peanut butter or not. you have certain tastes because of genes and parentage and what your brought up to believe. so ya i guess hes right. who cares if im not in control. as long as im happy. im fine

[Tempest Storm]

Life is nothing more than a vast series of actions and reactions. Free will is having the freedom to respond to those reactions and actions whatever way you want.

[x[311]x]

So technically when stem cell research has become more complete they can then technically begin to reanimate your decisions by re-engineering your genetic code?

[Magikarp]

As long as your raised in the exact same scenario, which is impossible.

[SouLess]

So what you're saying, is that I'de do the exact same thing if you rewind me? No kidding, it's like a tape, of course I'll do the exact same thing.

That right there throws out all valadicy of your post, but I'll continue;

If we didn't have free will, we wouldn't post here. We wouldn't come up with the things that we do. Art wouldn't exist, nor a lot of things. You think Henry Ford was born destined to make automobiles?

You need to wake up. I used to think that free will didn't exist, but now I see that we have WAY more control than we think we do.

[Magikarp]

Jake Jeckel: If we didn't have free will, we wouldn't post here

-.-'. Let me put it in a more simple format: were like computers. If you give the computer a certain amount of data, it will use that data to make its choices.

Its the same way with humans, except our data is far too complex to analyze. Way too many layers of conscious and what not.

[killer900]

Originally posted by IDefy
So your telling me whether I can put the peanut butter on the toast or not?

Am I not in total control of that decision?

valid point, in my opinion, but i'm not in control of that am i?

off topic: i want salami and peanut butter on my sandwich...

[SouLess]

Originally posted by Rygon
-.-'. Let me put it in a more simple format: were like computers. If you give the computer a certain amount of data, it will use that data to make its choices.

Its the same way with humans, except our data is far too complex to analyze. Way too many layers of conscious and what not.

That's not a vallid arguement though, you're saying that if we're given enough information we'll do something. How can anyone debate that?

[amrtin77]

they cant. you can either believe in souls/ something your born with making you you. or you can believe that your born with your genetics and the rest of what makes yuo is your life experiences completely influencing the way you are.

[cxoli]

I think everyone has free will to some extent. After all, no one can make you think a certain way, believe in certain things, etc. I think you have the power to change youself and be whoever you want to be....So I'd say free will exists.

[Miss]

I thought about for like ever now and there is free will.

99% is DNA 1% is free will. Free will is what makes us different. If there was no free will everyone would be robots and be the same.

[Static]

Saying everyone is robots is a very strange comment to make. Just because we have no say in what we do does not make us robots....

two ways of thinking... Philosophical and religiously.....If you believe in in free will then you have choosen religion if you believe in causality and cause, effect and whatnot you thing philosophy is the way to go. if you believe in whatever you are just a wonderer.

Saying there is no free will makes us robots is false... we do not have a choice on what we do because it is already been choosen and we have to understand why. All actions are caused my past actions. and then that action will cause another action and that will cause another ad infinitum

religion to me is just a crutch and thats off topic.

[dust601]

I'm honestly not sure on this subject.
Theres no way to prove it one way or the other. At least not yet.
I kinda think that a large portion of your choices are made by what you've gone through and how your built.