|  |
| | 
08-01-2007, 04:11 AM
|
#1 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington D.C Posts: 1,332
| ...hate crime?
Does this sound wrong to anyone else?
"A 23-year-old man was arrested Friday on hate-crime charges after he threw a Quran in a toilet at Pace University on two separate occasions, police said." Link Arrested for throwing a book in a toilet. Don't get me wrong, I'm not endorsing throwing Qurans in toilets, but what the hell? Aren't we suppose to have free speech in this country? He's being charged with "criminal mischief" and "aggravated harassment." Charged with hate crimes for throwing two books in a toilet. Another win for hate crimes...who needs free speech.
__________________  | 
|  |  Heute
| | | |  Sponsored Links
| |
|
| |
08-01-2007, 04:40 AM
|
#2 (permalink)
| [ Official Forum Ninja ]
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Roanoke VA Posts: 1,404
| I didn't go to the link.
But possibly they were property of the University?
Destruction of public property or w/e?
And then they look into it, and yada yada yada. | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 04:47 AM
|
#3 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington D.C Posts: 1,332
| He's being charged with a hate crime, not destruction of property.
__________________ | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 05:20 AM
|
#4 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: May 2003 Age: 24 Posts: 6,033
| All I have to say is wtf..
__________________ 
So say goodbye or say forever
Choose your fate
How else can we survive?
Dead is the new alive | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 03:57 PM
|
#5 (permalink)
| [ Official Forum Ninja ]
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Roanoke VA Posts: 1,404
| Was it his own personal copy?
Or did he take it from some random Muslim? | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 03:58 PM
|
#6 (permalink)
| BattleForums Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Tx Posts: 1,310
| wow so my entire post was messed up so lets try this again
Actions come with consequences. Did you expect them to say " oh no biggie, we can just print another" I do believe it is taken to the extreme with this hate crime bull crap. The man needs to be punished for destruction of property. Those who worship the Quran just need to take a chill pill on this whole hate crime stuff.
__________________
[PSN = slightlystoopid7]
Diablo II US East ladder = slightlystoopid
Last edited by N[U]TS; 08-01-2007 at 04:05 PM.
| |
| | |
08-01-2007, 04:26 PM
|
#7 (permalink)
| [ Official Forum Ninja ]
Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Roanoke VA Posts: 1,404
| Actually, there are many people who think all Muslims are Turban wearing fanatics.
But that isn't true, most fanatics are Shi'a Muslims, and still, that's not all of them. It's just a difference in beliefs. There are some Sunni Muslims who are fanatics, but most of the fanatics are Shi'a.
And not all Muslims wear Turbans or anything for that matter.
Some dress normally like everyone else.
Like this one guy Ron that goes to my High School.
You would not even know that he was a Muslim til you asked his religion. | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 04:33 PM
|
#8 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington D.C Posts: 1,332
| The story doesn't mention whether it is his Quran or not, either way, it doesn't merit being charged with criminal mischief and aggravated harrassment; only destruction of property at most.
__________________ | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 04:40 PM
|
#9 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,608
| It really depends on how he did it. If he made it obvious and publicized the fact that he was throwing a Koran in the toilet, his intent was probably to piss people off, in which case, I can see some justification for charging him with a hate crime. That's the definition of a hate crime isn't it? It has to do with the motivation behind the act, not the act itself.
__________________
Before hitting the submit button, please think about whether you would allow your post on your own forum. | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 05:05 PM
|
#10 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: May 2003 Age: 24 Posts: 6,033
| Quote:
Originally Posted by CelestialBadger  It really depends on how he did it. If he made it obvious and publicized the fact that he was throwing a Koran in the toilet, his intent was probably to piss people off, in which case, I can see some justification for charging him with a hate crime. That's the definition of a hate crime isn't it? It has to do with the motivation behind the act, not the act itself. | So if you commit a crime with the intent of pissing someone off it's automatically a hate crime? Uhh...
Ok..so if I give some innocent person the finger..and call them a douche (because I want to piss them off)..it's a hate crime? It wouldn't simply be harassment?
__________________
So say goodbye or say forever
Choose your fate
How else can we survive?
Dead is the new alive | |
| | |
08-01-2007, 06:34 PM
|
#11 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6,608
| Quote: |
So if you commit a crime with the intent of pissing someone off it's automatically a hate crime? Uhh...
| No, it has to deal with racial/religious tensions as well. He threw a Koran in the toilet. A holy book. If he did it to show his contempt for the religion, then yes, I can see it being classified as a hate crime. And giving someone the finger isn't a crime. Don't be silly.
__________________
Before hitting the submit button, please think about whether you would allow your post on your own forum. | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 01:03 AM
|
#12 (permalink)
| Shrooms are for kids
Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,104
| wtf happened to sucking it up?
__________________  | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 01:15 AM
|
#13 (permalink)
| BattleForums Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Montreal, in a ghost town. Age: 23 Posts: 2,418
| The guy is charged with cloging the toilette. He was afterward chared with hate crime because of his motive for commiting this crime. Which would be hate. Am I right? | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 01:23 AM
|
#14 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington D.C Posts: 1,332
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm The guy is charged with cloging the toilette. He was afterward chared with hate crime because of his motive for commiting this crime. Which would be hate. Am I right? | Yes. Since it becomes a hate crime, it is no longer him having to pay for the plumbing (if there is any) and for replacing the book, but he faces two felony counts instead.
__________________ | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 01:49 AM
|
#15 (permalink)
| BattleForums Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Montreal, in a ghost town. Age: 23 Posts: 2,418
| And where lies the problem? | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 02:02 AM
|
#16 (permalink)
| Shrooms are for kids
Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,104
| the thing is, toilets arnt really a public display of anything....
__________________ | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 02:37 AM
|
#17 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Washington D.C Posts: 1,332
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm And where lies the problem? | He faces jail time for this because hate crime laws raise this from what would be a misdemeanor to a felony. That's what my problem is with this.
__________________ | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 02:47 AM
|
#18 (permalink)
| BattleForums Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Montreal, in a ghost town. Age: 23 Posts: 2,418
| Well, the original crime was cloging the toilet. Its a crime against the university, its vandalisme. A hate crime (hating a group) needs to be attached to a previous crime (clogging the toilet) to be valide.
So, basically, its a crime against the university, upgraded with apparent motives against muslims. Altough this is all debatable. But this is how I understand it. | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 05:20 AM
|
#19 (permalink)
| Respected Member
Join Date: May 2003 Age: 24 Posts: 6,033
| Ok if that's what a hate crime is..then the whole "hate crime" thing is retarded. If I burn a bible would I be charged with a hate crime? This is news to me..
__________________
So say goodbye or say forever
Choose your fate
How else can we survive?
Dead is the new alive | |
| | |
08-02-2007, 05:43 AM
|
#20 (permalink)
| BattleForums Senior Member
Join Date: May 2003 Location: Montreal, in a ghost town. Age: 23 Posts: 2,418
| Only if you commit a crime while burning your bible. The book burning in itself isnt a crime. | |
| | | |
![N[U]TS's Avatar](http://www.battleforums.com/forums/avatars/n-u-ts.gif?dateline=1198564046)
Linear Mode
