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12-20-2006, 05:27 AM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6186347.stm Quote:
An Italian judge has rejected a request by a terminally ill man to have doctors switch off his life support machine.
The judge said the case fell outside of his jurisdiction, saying politicians needed to address a "gap" in the law.
| Why shouldn't this man have the right to end his own life? | 
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12-20-2006, 08:32 AM
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| To some i guess it seems barbaric and uncivilized to some people and is looked upon like it is a crime of sorts.
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12-20-2006, 10:43 AM
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| Suicide is not legal, I think...
It has always been a painful iffy issue. Society thinks that anyone who wants to die is mad and should not be allowed to die. I am inclined to agree except I have no idea of the pain he is going through, so I don't really have much of a say in what should be done.* | |
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12-21-2006, 03:02 AM
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| On one hand, the individual is the sole judge of the value of his very life.... on the other hand, there is no value superior to life, and it should be protected at all cost.
Or something along those lines.
alright, I'll put more thought into this another time, but this is one of the 3 issues that has no respectable solutions. | |
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12-21-2006, 05:22 AM
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| Maybe the doctors think he is just mad at the moment, and will change his mind?
I think he has the right to die. Obviously, the suffering is too great. | |
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12-21-2006, 06:05 PM
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| how about he just stops breathing or snap his own neck.
i mean if u REALLY wanna die, theirs alot of ways you can, tho it would take a lot of courage cuz id be scared | |
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12-21-2006, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bizzy Bone  how about he just stops breathing or snap his own neck.
i mean if u REALLY wanna die, theirs alot of ways you can, tho it would take a lot of courage cuz id be scared |
If I remember correctly, it's actually impossable to kill yourself by not breathing. You will pass out, and then you will start breathing automaticly again.
To me... I'm 50/50 on this issue.. If a man wants to die.. I dont see why we should tell him he can not do so. | |
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12-21-2006, 07:59 PM
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| if he were a believer,He wouldn't tell the doctors to kill himself  | |
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12-21-2006, 08:03 PM
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| well how about snapping his neck, how about just pulling the damn thing outhimself
or just go on an old man tantrum and cause chaos throwing pillows at the other patients lol j/k
well, im sure he can think of a method to kill himself. 6 million wayz to die, choose one | |
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01-04-2007, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm On one hand, the individual is the sole judge of the value of his very life.... on the other hand, there is no value superior to life, and it should be protected at all cost.
Or something along those lines.
alright, I'll put more thought into this another time, but this is one of the 3 issues that has no respectable solutions. |
IT's your choice if you want to die,nobody else's. | |
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01-04-2007, 01:01 PM
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| And how does that make it right? A self-inflicted harm is still an harm, it doesnt make it right just because its self-inflicted.
When the thinkers of liberalism elaborated the concept of personal freedom, they certainly didn't expect their ideas to justify the cowardice and suicide of others. The point of notions such as freedom and freewill is to allow people to improve their lives and make the right choices by themselves. The intent never was to let them trow it all away.
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01-04-2007, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by x42bn6 Suicide is not legal, I think...
It has always been a painful iffy issue. Society thinks that anyone who wants to die is mad and should not be allowed to die. I am inclined to agree except I have no idea of the pain he is going through, so I don't really have much of a say in what should be done.* | That's not it, pacients in hospitals nowadays rarely have physical pain.
They do, however, have a lot psychological pain, knowing that they are not going to survive is painfull indeed, but being unable to finish that pain is something not even the medics sometimes can take. That's why there have been some cases where doctors have been sentenced because they practiced euthanasia on very terminal pacients, which is something I absolutely agree with, IF the pacients family also agrees, with a just reason. The pacient suffering can indeed mistake him sometimes to wish death, when there is still hope of healing.
Still, most of times the family will try to make him survive, to show him his grandsons, whatever. But that's selfish, imo. | 
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01-04-2007, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Tempest Storm | Morally? I have no idea. Personally, I think everyone bares the right to die. I believe in assisted suicide, if the person can consent, and is terminal. This however, isn't even assisted suicide. Turning off life support is letting nature run its course. If you can't breathe on your own, you can't breathe on your own.
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01-04-2007, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm And how does that make it right? A self-inflicted harm is still an harm, it doesnt make it right just because its self-inflicted.
When the thinkers of liberalism elaborated the concept of personal freedom, they certainly didn't expect their ideas to justify the cowardice and suicide of others. The point of notions such as freedom and freewill is to allow people to improve their lives and make the right choices by themselves. The intent never was to let them trow it all away. | A person who doesn't want to live is as good as dead. | |
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01-04-2007, 06:13 PM
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| Yeah... thats a circular argument, please... .gif "Wink") | |
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01-04-2007, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Black~Enthusiasm Yeah... thats a circular argument, please... |
If he doesn't want to live what's the point in forcing him to stay alive? OMG DUDE YOU ARE ALIVE BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND MOST LIKELY FIND A WAY TO KILL YOURSELF SOMEHOW. please. | |
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01-05-2007, 02:57 AM
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| I think the government already invades enough of our privacy and lives. I don't see why anyone should think that the government should be allowed to rule if we can end our own lives or not. That's a bunch of crap. If I want to kill myself, I damn well will!
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01-05-2007, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Lizardbreath If he doesn't want to live what's the point in forcing him to stay alive? OMG DUDE YOU ARE ALIVE BUT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE PRODUCTIVE AND MOST LIKELY FIND A WAY TO KILL YOURSELF SOMEHOW. please. | Most likely not. Those guys are so terminal that they do need to ask for help to die. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. | |
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01-06-2007, 05:13 PM
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| I am just appauled how the goverment of Italy could refused this mans rights to refuse treatment. Its like they want to squeez every penny out of us before we take our last breath.
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01-07-2007, 09:15 AM
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