Music, Movies, (novels?) and other media: The "quality" of.

[Epidemic]

paris hilton and kevin federline released albums.

This cannot be good.

[AZN_FLEA]

cobalt wolf, nudity can be considered art, ever seen the man drawn by davinci? (dunno the real name of it but it has a man in a circle with his hands and legs touching the edges of the circle)
being tempted is not a sin, giving in to the sin is. else this means that a pure mind is impossible. every man lusts. i would say that some parts of the bible has been edited by the catholic priests(bitches) to suit their needs/wants.

i have found 90% of the movies complete bullshit. take underworld, a semi hot babe that kicks ass and give her a lover, some typical bad guys and yu have a movie. ffs **** that shit.
thankfully, there are some good movies with good morals. i think 'girl next door' was a good one:set a goal and work towards it with everything you got. ummm shit...thats it. maybe some horror movies where it helps you realise the value of human life: wolf creek (skip the first 30 mins of the movie, it sucks ass)

music...i find mainstream music pathetic. all these shit singers with success, it really sickens me. their songs have no meaning to it, werent even made by the singers and then HEAVILY advertised. the singers nowadays have very little talent compared to people like elton john (hes gay i know). non mainstream music is really good. yes, even non mainstream rap. you can see how mainstream music is different like that
KoRn: lol retards.
megadeth: holy shit their skills are 1337.
my favourite bands right now are:children of bodom(sadly, beginning to commercialise) dragonforce, chimaira(commercialising T-T), megadeth, pantera and anthrax

the quality of music isnt declining, its just the exposure to good music.

[Cobalt Wolf]

Like I've said before, I'm not so sure that Catholics are Christians.
They don't have the same beliefs. Christians worship God and Catholics
worship Mary, for one. Second, I was told that the Mary that they
worship is not actually Mary, but instead, Isis. So when you talk about
nude pantings and statues being in European churches, that is not the
same as it being in a Pentecostal church for the reason that Catholics
are most likely not considered to be Christians.

Azn, that picture is called the Vitruvian Man. Of course nudity is
considered "art" by the general public. They don't see anything wrong
with it because they don't want to. They don't see anything wrong
with a lot of things because they don't want to. If they saw something
wrong with what was going on... it would probably mean that they are
doing something wrong so they have to protect this or else stand
corrected, themselves. That or either they would rather be indifferent
than to stand up and say what is right and wrong.

Also, like I've said before... just because everyone is doing it, doesn't
make it right. Why do you keep giving me examples of what people are
doing and expect me to just say "Oh, ok. Well if they're doing it, it
must be okay." I don't think so. If it's wrong, it's wrong -
regardless of who is doing it.

Yes, every person is able to lust after some one or some thing but
here's the part that no one seems to get... You are not supposed
to put yourself in a situation where you can be tempted.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by Cobalt Wolf

[center][color=#a6aeff]Like I've said before, I'm not so sure that Catholics are Christians.
They don't have the same beliefs. Christians worship God and Catholics
worship Mary, for one. Second, I was told that the Mary that they
worship is not actually Mary, but instead, Isis. So when you talk about
nude pantings and statues being in European churches, that is not the
same as it being in a Pentecostal church for the reason that Catholics
are most likely not considered to be Christians.

Catholics actually worship Mary. Mary is held in respect for two reasons. One, she was the first saint (and saints are not worshipped either). Second, she is the mother of God and sinless. Beyond that, she is simply another human being and unless Isis was a human being whose only power was to not sin, then it isn't what Catholics consider to be Mary. There is no worship.

[Shadow1psc]

Originally Posted by Red Dragon

It's come to my attention that the overall quality of music/movies and other such media has dropped significantly through the past ten years even if not longer. Recently it's all about appearance, less and less about actual content.

Why is it? Are people becoming less... tasteful in general arts/music and the media as a whole? Is the whole "Rebel" theme we have going affecting beyond what we might expect?

Discuss.

It's not that the quality is dropping; Mainstream pop-culture would like to drill into the heads of youngsters only that which is readily available or easily crafted for the most profit. What I mean is, if MTV can deem something like emo/screamo/hardcore (3 genres of music with relatively low talent) then 50 bands that all sound the same can easily spring up, and because there's so many, MTV can monopolize a few to their advantage, and cheaply at that so the masses get what they want still.

You as the listener (or the complainee) have to go out and find what works for you, or find that good music. I listen to music with talent. I'm a musician, and I don't condone nor support music that is basically 'sellout' music (mostly anything you can find on MTV, or any band that sounds just like 3 others). This definately doesn't restrict my listening to only a few bands, or even genres. I mostly listen to Metal and its sub genres, but I also delve in to all forms of prog, jazz, and classical. Not to mention blues, funk, and any free-form genre. These genres aren't devoid of unoriginality/cliches/sellouts, but there's tons of great bands in them as well. You just have to look harder. I have over 10,000 songs on my computer, the entire library which I listen to, so it can't be that hard.

[x42bn6]

Another issue is the fact that these copycats drown out the better artists who are original. The next time I hear Hilary Duff or Lindsay Lohan belching - I mean, bellowing - out a song that is merely noise, I will be throwing something out of my window.*

[lollercoasterzster]

haha it's pretty amusing listening to everyone become their parents as they get older... remember when you used to be into things that your parents thought were absolutely ridiculous? Well now a new phase is pushing through society that you don't like or understand, and when you have kids they'll be into stuff like this leaving you shaking your head wondering why. That's life... it isn't that society is going downhill now, it's been going "downhill" for a long-ass time if that's how you picture it, it's only moving past the phase you enjoyed the most.

[Shadow1psc]

Unless of course, you know, [edited out], and there wasn't a mainstream 'phase' you liked. It's like totally possible to never like crap, and not be conformist.

Moderator Note:
Please don't flame.
-Tipsy

[Cobalt Wolf]

But Tipsy, Mary is not God. And the very first of the 10
commandments says "You shall have no other God(s) before me".

So just because Catholicism is widely accepted, that makes it okay?
I think not.

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by Cobalt Wolf

But Tipsy, Mary is not God. And the very first of the 10
commandments says "You shall have no other God(s) before me".

So just because Catholicism is widely accepted, that makes it okay?
I think not.

Of course she isn't and Catholics don't hold that belief.

[Cobalt Wolf]

Of course she isn't? Who isn't what?
Mary isn't worshipped by Catholics?
But you just said that she was... :|

And Catholics don't hold what belief?
Catholicism?

What are you trying to say?

[Tipsy]

Originally Posted by Cobalt Wolf

Of course she isn't? Who isn't what?
Mary isn't worshipped by Catholics?
But you just said that she was... :|

And Catholics don't hold what belief?
Catholicism?

What are you trying to say?

Oh sorry, I shouldn't try to write posts while watching football.

I was saying:
1) Mary is not worshipped by Catholics.
2) Mary is not God or close anywhere close to it according to Catholocism.

[AZN_FLEA]

i think that catholicism is generally retarded. although i agree with many points made by the catholics, the fact that they do all this shit about mary, the virgin, seems like total bullshit to me. mary may be sinless aand the mother of jesus, but who the **** cares? **** mary. i couldnt care if mary was god, jesus is the one who saved us from sin.

the masses of people who actually buy 'cheap crap' music really pisses me off too. MTV is ****ing up now. its music television, not comedy, drama, teen life, tv shows etc.

society is truly ****ed up. you cant blame them, cheap american education and the way of making people think. people blame everyone else for EVERYTHING. no conscience at all. do a bit of overwork and if you faint, sew your boss for overwork. this is abuse of democracy and it really annoys me and enrages me.

i think that moral education with PROPER leaders is an essential thing.

[Cobalt Wolf]

I've been doing some research. It turns out that there are
different types of Catholics. I'm not sure how many and I
don't know enough about any of them to make further
statements just yet.

It seems to me that they hold Mary in the same reverence
as God seeing as how she was the first saint and gave birth
to God's human form, Jesus. But I could be wrong..

[Shadow1psc]

Originally Posted by Shadow1psc

Unless of course, you know, [edited out], and there wasn't a mainstream 'phase' you liked. It's like totally possible to never like crap, and not be conformist.

Moderator Note:
Please don't flame.
-Tipsy

Er, there was no flaming in that post whatsoever. I was even reffering to myself. o.o;